8/7 Cubs (Big Z) @ Rockies (Jimenez) 8:10 PM; CSN; WGN Radio

[Fred Hornkohl]

Tulowitzki singled to left field

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, and he won. So he did what he was supposed to do.

Most of the GMS could win if they got 110 million and thier opponents got 60 million.

 

That's a false point since it makes like the 110 million team is only playing 60 million teams or worse.

How many teams do we play every year that spend as much as us? 2 maybe 3?

 

So a team should be all but a lock to beat any team that spends less? What if they spend a million less? 3? 5? 10? It's not as cut and dry as you're trying to make it.

[Outshined_One]

How many teams do we play every year that spend as much as us? 2 maybe 3?

 

White Sox, Mets, Phillies, Dodgers, and Astros are all pretty close this year. Trade deadline moves kind mucked salaries up, so it's hard to tell based on info that's out there.

[Roast]

 

That's no guarentee of success.

It's usually a pretty good indicator of it though. Barring a ton of injuries.

Here's the top 3 payrolls from last year and where they finished in their division.

 

Yankees - 3rd place

Tigers - LAST PLACE

Mets - 2nd place

[illiniguy]

Yeah, and he won. So he did what he was supposed to do.

Most of the GMS could win if they got 110 million and thier opponents got 60 million.

 

That's a false point since it makes like the 110 million team is only playing 60 million teams or worse.

How many teams do we play every year that spend as much as us? 2 maybe 3?

 

So a team should be all but a lock to beat any team that spends less? What if they spend a million less? 3? 5? 10? It's not as cut and dry as you're trying to make it.

Our payroll the past few years has dwarfed our competition, the NL Central. Last year he had a great team/ The year before we lucked into a division title.

[Sammy Sofa]

He has had some hits. I don't like the guy, but I'll admit when he's done well. He did a good job getting Aram, Lee, and Harden in here. He's broadened our international scouting efforts, and we had a good draft. But he's handcuffed us with terrible contracts, has made some awful personnel decsions, is completely incapable of admitting when he's wrong, changes organizational philosophies more often than some people change their underwear, brought Dusty in here to wreck Prior and Wood, gave Dusty way too much power in personnel descions, let Dusty run the team for FAR too long when he should have been fired sometime in 2005 or early 2006, and I know I'm forgetting a few things.

 

Are you confident that whoever is brought in to replace him will be better?

 

(I'm not asking this with the idea that Hendry should be kept on just because his replacement is likely to be as bad or worse)

[Fred Hornkohl]

BOTTOM OF THE FIFTH INNING

 

Helton popped out to right field

Tulowitzki singled to left field

Tulowitzki caught stealing, 2-6

Hawpe flied out to left field

 

0 runs 1 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
CUBS            1 0 0 0 0                      1  3  1
Colorado        3 0 0 2                        5  9  0

 

Home runs:

CUBS: none

Colorado: Iannetta (13)

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Marshall      2.0  5  1  1  1  3  0  62
Samardzija    3.0  4  2  2  0  1  1  45

 

Colorado       IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Jimenez       5.0  3  0  0  3  2  0  67

[illiniguy]

 

That's no guarentee of success.

It's usually a pretty good indicator of it though. Barring a ton of injuries.

Here's the top 3 payrolls from last year and where they finished in their division.

 

Yankees - 3rd place

Tigers - LAST PLACE

Mets - 2nd place

And the Yankees and Tigers had a ton of injuries.

[Fred Hornkohl]

              CUBS    Colorado
P/PA          3.53        4.65
RBI%          0.00        0.44
R/BR          0.17        0.50
BA           0.188       0.409
OBP          0.316       0.435
SLG          0.188       0.727
OPS          0.503       1.162
ERA           5.40        0.00
BB/9          1.80        5.40
K/9           7.20        3.60

[Fred Hornkohl]

St. Louis      6
Pittsburgh     4  F

Milwaukee      3  9
Houston        6

Cincinnati     0  2
San Francisco  2

[E.J.]

Haha. Milt just hurt himself again.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Bradley            AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
Leading off        59   15   14    1    0    2    2   14   12  0.237  0.392  0.356  0.748  0.267  4.31  0.155  0.000
bases empty       153   26   35    3    0    5    5   27   35  0.229  0.352  0.346  0.698  0.265  4.11  0.123  0.000
Middle (4-6)       98   15   33    6    0    5   14   12   21  0.337  0.416  0.551  0.967  0.389  3.88  0.079  0.184
0 outs             91   21   25    4    0    4    8   21   20  0.275  0.416  0.451  0.866  0.313  4.31  0.141  0.125
CUBS trailing      98   14   29    5    0    4   17   15   30  0.296  0.383  0.469  0.852  0.391  3.87  0.087  0.302
last 14 games      37   11   12    0    0    2    5   12   11  0.324  0.490  0.486  0.977  0.417  4.23  0.166  0.167
August              9    2    2    0    0    0    0    3    4  0.222  0.462  0.222  0.684  0.400  4.50  0.239  0.000
Road              130   16   25    3    0    2    8   26   34  0.192  0.338  0.262  0.599  0.245  4.09  0.145  0.081
Nite              144   22   30    5    0    4   14   32   39  0.208  0.363  0.326  0.689  0.257  4.11  0.154  0.141
vs Right          184   30   39    5    0    7   18   48   54  0.212  0.384  0.353  0.737  0.260  4.28  0.172  0.129
vs Jimemez          0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.00  0.000  0.000
vs. Colo            0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.00  0.000  0.000

season totals     260   40   65    9    1    8   27   54   63  0.250  0.388  0.385  0.773  0.302  4.11  0.138  0.150

[Fred Hornkohl]

Bradley walked

[Schwarber Fan]

more LOBs!

[bcl412]

And yet there are people who honestly think he's not a bottom-5 GM.

 

I like how you say that like it's crazy.

 

It is.

 

A few good trades does not absolve him from the other absolutely brutal moves he's made.

 

He's hit and miss, imo. I'm willing to give him a pass for the time being for the recent Pac Rim efforts and the 2008 draft.

 

He has had some hits. I don't like the guy, but I'll admit when he's done well. He did a good job getting Aram, Lee, and Harden in here. He's broadened our international scouting efforts, and we had a good draft. But he's handcuffed us with terrible contracts, has made some awful personnel decsions, is completely incapable of admitting when he's wrong, changes organizational philosophies more often than some people change their underwear, brought Dusty in here to wreck Prior and Wood, gave Dusty way too much power in personnel descions, let Dusty run the team for FAR too long when he should have been fired sometime in 2005 or early 2006, and I know I'm forgetting a few things.

 

It's hard for me to want to fire Hendry when he has done the best that a GM can possibly do. He won 2 straight titles and very could well win 3 straight. Has he set it up to where the future could be bleak, possibly, but I don't see any way it's ethical or right to fire a guy who has done what he's supposed to do based off of an unknown future.

[illiniguy]

Milton has had a great game. I hope we keep him in the two hole.

[Careless]

How many teams do we play every year that spend as much as us? 2 maybe 3?

 

White Sox, Mets, Phillies, Dodgers, and Astros are all pretty close this year. Trade deadline moves kind mucked salaries up, so it's hard to tell based on info that's out there.

how the heck are the Astros spending that much?

[Fred Hornkohl]

D Lee              AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
runners on        177   26   52   12    1   10   60   26   41  0.294  0.380  0.542  0.922  0.333  3.90  0.086  0.246
Middle (4-6)      122   23   39   12    0    8   28   15   22  0.320  0.400  0.615  1.015  0.337  3.96  0.080  0.286
0 outs            118   20   37    9    0    6   16   12   22  0.314  0.371  0.542  0.914  0.344  3.92  0.058  0.213
CUBS trailing     133   21   47    5    1    9   23    8   24  0.353  0.396  0.609  1.005  0.380  3.81  0.042  0.215
last 14 games      51   12   18    3    1    4   13    9   14  0.353  0.443  0.686  1.129  0.424  3.90  0.090  0.321
August             23    3    8    2    0    2    6    0    7  0.348  0.348  0.696  1.043  0.429  3.61  0.000  0.333
Road              181   20   49   10    0    7   26   22   41  0.271  0.346  0.442  0.788  0.316  3.92  0.076  0.196
Nite              185   23   54   11    0   10   29   25   39  0.292  0.377  0.514  0.891  0.324  4.01  0.085  0.207
vs Right          295   45   85   16    1   19   62   27   65  0.288  0.348  0.542  0.890  0.313  3.89  0.060  0.262
vs Jimemez          1    1    1    1    0    0    0    1    0  1.000  1.000  2.000  3.000  1.000  4.00  0.000  0.000
vs. Colo            7    2    5    1    0    1    2    2    1  0.714  0.778  1.286  2.063  0.800  4.78  0.063  0.250

season totals     358   54  104   20    1   22   72   41   77  0.291  0.363  0.536  0.899  0.317  3.94  0.072  0.244

[E.J.]

Hooray for crappy defense. Come on Aram.

[CHCinIC]

alright, we got something going.

 

get us back in the game Aram

[Sammy Sofa]

Our payroll the past few years has dwarfed our competition, the NL Central.

 

And again, the season is not play only or mostly against the thrifty teams in the NL Central or thrifty teams in general. Just beacause a team spends 110 million doesn't make them a lock to beat up on teams spending in, say, the 70-90 million range.

[illiniguy]

How many teams do we play every year that spend as much as us? 2 maybe 3?

 

White Sox, Mets, Phillies, Dodgers, and Astros are all pretty close this year. Trade deadline moves kind mucked salaries up, so it's hard to tell based on info that's out there.

how the heck are the Astros spending that much?

CLee, Tejada, Roy, Lance.

[E.J.]

Milton has had a great game. I hope we keep him in the two hole.

 

I guess it depends on if his hamstring holds up. Looks like it's bothering him right now.

[bcl412]

Please don't screw this up. It'd be really nice if the most interesting part of this game wasn't a debate about Jim Hendry in a message board thread.

[Outshined_One]

Our payroll the past few years has dwarfed our competition, the NL Central. Last year he had a great team/ The year before we lucked into a division title.

 

Since 2003, when Hendry became GM...

 

Cubs

 

* 2009: $134,809,000

* 2008: $118,345,833

* 2007: $ 99,670,332

* 2006: $ 94,424,499

* 2005: $ 87,032,933

* 2004: $ 90,560,000

* 2003: $ 79,868,333

 

Cardinals

 

* 2009: $ 88,528,409

* 2008: $ 99,624,449

* 2007: $ 90,286,823

* 2006: $ 88,891,371

* 2005: $ 92,106,833

* 2004: $ 83,228,333

* 2003: $ 83,786,666

 

Brewers

 

* 2009: $ 80,182,502

* 2008: $ 80,937,499

* 2007: $ 70,986,500

* 2006: $ 57,568,333

* 2005: $ 39,934,833

* 2004: $ 27,528,500

* 2003: $ 40,627,000

 

Astros

 

* 2009: $102,996,414

* 2008: $ 88,930,414

* 2007: $ 87,759,000

* 2006: $ 92,551,503

* 2005: $ 76,779,000

* 2004: $ 75,397,000

* 2003: $ 71,040,000

 

Up until the past two years, the disparities haven't been that wide.