Joel Pineiro

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Seriously, this garbage is getting really old

 

51 strikeouts in 122.1 innings and only 121 hits and 3 HR

 

GTFOOH

[DiamondMind]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Duncan_(baseball)

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i liked the story about larussa being angry with wellemeyer because of his poor performance this season. gosh, sorry you only got 1.5 good seasons after going dumpster diving for him. seriously, i don't know why they signed carpenter and lohse to long extensions; just sign jorge de la rosa or matt belisle and watch them blossom into borderline cy young candidates.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Duncan_(baseball)

 

but it's not just that, it's also a ridiculous amount of luck. he only has 51 k's in 122 innings yet is only allowing a hit an inning. i don't care what kind of contact is being made... that's luck on the field, flat out.

[bcl412]

To be fair we've had our share of successful pitchers that weren't expected to be. We had some pretty successful pitching from freaking Glendon Rusch in 2004 and Ryan Dempster became a border line Cy Young candidate for us last year.

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Yeah but Dempster was legitimately good. I'm not saying Pineiro hasn't been good, but to give up a hit an inning with that few strikeouts is BS.

[Guest]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Duncan_(baseball)

 

but it's not just that, it's also a ridiculous amount of luck. he only has 51 k's in 122 innings yet is only allowing a hit an inning. i don't care what kind of contact is being made... that's luck on the field, flat out.

 

I think you might want to take a closer look at the numbers rather than just basing it on K/9.

 

He's got a 15% LD% which means not a lot of balls are getting hit hard off of him.

 

His BABIP is .288, a little lower than his career mark of .298 and maybe a bit lucky, but nothing out of the ordinary. And based on his LD%, it could actually be a tick lower, but again, nothing out of the ordinary.

 

The most important number, however, is his walks. While he has allowed nearly a hit per inning - 121 hits in 122 1/3 IP - he's only walked 12 guys this year. That's right, 12. And not walking guys is something entirely (if you exclude bad umpire calls) under a pitcher's control.

 

Maybe he should have given up a couple more HR's based on the number of hits he's allowed, but that's not going to raise his ERA significantly, unless those HRs came with the bases loaded. And even then, his WHIP isn't going to change and would still be 1.09.

 

Pineiro's having a career year for the Cards and I'm about as happy about it as you are, but it doesn't appear to be caused by luck.

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yeah it's caused by him learning the dave duncan pitch. last night's game pissed me off, every pitch low/outside corner. go the other way a-holes.

 

i'd also like to know when pineiro developed maddux-in-his-prime control.

[RedFlash]

2009 Joel Piniero is the kind of Joel Piniero Seattle was hopng for when he was one of their top prospects. But was not-so-funny funny is that Joel Piniero fits the build of the kind of pitcher that Duncan/LaRussa has gotten in St. Louis. His stats--in less yrs, tho--reminds me of a young Jeff Suppan. Someone who will beat the strike zone but will strike out less then a batter an inning, but won't walk anybody either. Not to mention some of his best comparasions through his age 29 season are either former Cards or current Cards and that list includes: Jason Marquis, Todd Stottlemyre, Kyle Lohse, and Chris Carpenter (yeah, :roll: ).

 

Dexter it does seem to be flukish, but that has been the MO of Duncan/LaRussa era in St. Louis. Which means at some point they'll prolly sign a guy like Adam Eaton (perfect reclamation project for them) and turn him into a serviceable pitcher again. Some crap different yr. I don't like it bother me anymore.