The Jake Fox Appreciation Thread

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Also, why are you worried about improving the team offensively and then wishing to trade Fox?

Maybe because he won't have a position to play when Aramis comes back? Unless you can magically turn him into a decent defensive middle infielder, we have no room for him. I understand you'd rather see DLee, Bradley, Fuku, or Soriano traded, but this is not a fantasy world.

[cubweiser03]

I like what this dude does with outside pitches. He'll drive it hard as hell out to RCF and sometime jack it over the wall in LCF.

[Arnold Layne]

Also, why are you worried about improving the team offensively and then wishing to trade Fox?

Maybe because he won't have a position to play when Aramis comes back? Unless you can magically turn him into a decent defensive middle infielder, we have no room for him. I understand you'd rather see DLee, Bradley, Fuku, or Soriano traded, but this is not a fantasy world.

 

 

Well I guess it all comes down to the usual problem - our GM is terrible.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Also, why are you worried about improving the team offensively and then wishing to trade Fox?

Maybe because he won't have a position to play when Aramis comes back? Unless you can magically turn him into a decent defensive middle infielder, we have no room for him. I understand you'd rather see DLee, Bradley, Fuku, or Soriano traded, but this is not a fantasy world.

 

 

Well I guess it all comes down to the usual problem - our GM is terrible.

 

Hendry is good with mid season trades. As for free agents, not so much. Any GM on a team with deep pockets can target a guy and throw a ludicris contract at him. The hard part is figuring out whose the right guy for the team.

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By all accounts, his D is so bad that he's likely to cost more runs defensively than he produces offensively.

So far, he's not even close.

 

Sample size.

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By all accounts, his D is so bad that he's likely to cost more runs defensively than he produces offensively.

So far, he's not even close.

 

Sample size.

 

yeah - 40 innings at 3B.

 

For the record - this is exactly what I wanted the Cubs to do. Put him at 3B and hope he hits a ton while not killing us defensively. But the point wasn't to do that so the Cubs would hold on to him. We've got nowhere to put him. Soriano and Lee aren't going anywhere. I don't think Hendry is looking to move Bradley (and Fox in RF would be a disaster). When ARam's back, he's not getting traded. So Fox has nowhere to play but corner utility player/PH. If Hendry can trade him to an AL team looking for a DH that can maybe play 1B/3B in a pinch and get something valuable back, it makes sense to do that soon. Even more so if ARam can be back in 2 weeks or less.

[KaiserCesar]

By all accounts, his D is so bad that he's likely to cost more runs defensively than he produces offensively.

So far, he's not even close.

 

Sample size.

 

yeah - 40 innings at 3B.

 

For the record - this is exactly what I wanted the Cubs to do. Put him at 3B and hope he hits a ton while not killing us defensively. But the point wasn't to do that so the Cubs would hold on to him. We've got nowhere to put him. Soriano and Lee aren't going anywhere. I don't think Hendry is looking to move Bradley (and Fox in RF would be a disaster). When ARam's back, he's not getting traded. So Fox has nowhere to play but corner utility player/PH. If Hendry can trade him to an AL team looking for a DH that can maybe play 1B/3B in a pinch and get something valuable back, it makes sense to do that soon. Even more so if ARam can be back in 2 weeks or less.

 

Agreed, it has the potential to add a little trade value and it's worth not seeing more playing time for Blanco, Fontenot and Freel. Also, once Ramirez gets back, he could be available to give him a day off here and there if needed.

[Irrelevant Dude]

By all accounts, his D is so bad that he's likely to cost more runs defensively than he produces offensively.

So far, he's not even close.

 

Sample size.

I agree that he will eventually make some defensive mistakes, but even when he does make an error, what are the chances that it makes the difference in a game? I would say those chances are much smaller than having his bat positively influence an outcome.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Speaking of small ample sizes, is it me, or does he seem to hit better when hes playing defense than when hes DHing? It could be coincidence, but I really hope we see more of him at 3rd and let Font, Freel, and Andy White fight it out for 2nd.

[chasinf5s]

I love how all the people worried about Fox's defense yet its not like we have gold gloves at every other position with the exception of 1st. Sure he wont be good but its not like Soriano and Bradley are good.

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I love how all the people worried about Fox's defense yet its not like we have gold gloves at every other position with the exception of 1st. Sure he wont be good but its not like Soriano and Bradley are good.

 

So are you saying that since you think other defenders aren't good, it doesn't matter if yet another defender isn't good? It's gonna take a minute to wrap my head around that one.

[Schwarber Fan]

I love how all the people worried about Fox's defense yet its not like we have gold gloves at every other position with the exception of 1st. Sure he wont be good but its not like Soriano and Bradley are good.

 

So are you saying that since you think other defenders aren't good, it doesn't matter if yet another defender isn't good? It's gonna take a minute to wrap my head around that one.

 

No, he's saying that it's not fair to Fox that he's being held out of the lineup for his defense when 2 guys that are in there everyday aren't that much better. I may not necessarily agree, but that's why he's saying.

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I love how all the people worried about Fox's defense yet its not like we have gold gloves at every other position with the exception of 1st. Sure he wont be good but its not like Soriano and Bradley are good.

 

So are you saying that since you think other defenders aren't good, it doesn't matter if yet another defender isn't good? It's gonna take a minute to wrap my head around that one.

 

No, he's saying that it's not fair to Fox that he's being held out of the lineup for his defense when 2 guys that are in there everyday aren't that much better. I may not necessarily agree, but that's why he's saying.

 

Well, I'm not sure that's actually what he's saying, but that's not really relevant either.

 

Who cares what's "fair to Fox." What's best for the team? If his offense outweighs his defense (or they believe it's likely to) then he should be in there. If his defense is likely to be so horrid, that it would outweigh his offense, then he shouldn't (assuming the other options aren't worse). It doesn't matter if Soriano's defense, when combined with his offense, costs us 10 runs a season. If he's the best option we have in LF, he's playing. Same with Bradley. Whether those are the best options or not isn't my call, but it seems reasonable. Fox may be the best option at 3B, offense and defense combined, but it's perfectly reasonable from all the reports that his defense is so bad that even combined with his offense, he'd be worse for the team that someone else playing there.

 

There are other factors - and the reason I've been pushing this is one of them. If Fox can hit enough to convince an AL team to give up something of value for him to be their DH, then the Cubs should take the risk and play him at 3B. I'm hoping that's what they'll be doing for the next couple of weeks.

[chasinf5s]

tell me a better option, Fontenot? im not going to look up stats but id rather have someone who is getting hits but is a poor fielder than a guy who is a ok fielder but cant manage to hit anything

[Little Slide Rooter]

Looks like Jake will continue to get his chances at 3rd

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090628&content_id=5580986&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[Banedon]

Looks like Jake will continue to get his chances at 3rd

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090628&content_id=5580986&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

I'm perfectly ok with this, and not at all surprised. But when A-Ram comes back, Fox is gonna be a bench guy.

 

I wonder how many other NL teams have 2 DH's.