Matt Holiday?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Holliday should be able to be had for relatively cheap since he's likely a rental. I doubt he can be traded for with only fringe players, but I doubt it would have to be a huge deal.

 

Who is DLing for the A's these days? Maybe Fox can be part of such a deal. Fox and Patton? Fox and Marshall?

 

Mind you, I'm horrible at putting together trades. I seem to always way overpay or underpay in my hypotheticals.

 

I think you mean DHing and that would be Jack Cust. He's 33, but showing no real signs of slowing down offensively. Though he's had some nagging back (I think) troubles this year.

 

Fox could be part of a deal, though, if Beane thinks Cust's back issues that have forced him to the DH role are temporary.

 

Whoops. I did indeed mean DH.

 

If Fox could play a decent 1B, I could see Oakland interested. Right now they have Giambi, but I dont see him there for long. Obviously, for Holliday, wed need to put together a package at least similar to the Harden one. I figure Marshall or Wells could be the Gallagher of the deal, with Jake Fox as the Murton and maybe Steve Clevenger or Tyler Colvin as the Eric Patterson. Some fringe A-AA guy could be the 4th man. IM asuming, much like last year we might get another player as well. Mike Wuertz would be great, but I doubt that will happen. I would accept Russ Springer though. It is doable. The question is, would it be more practical to go after more of a stop gap type of player like Atkins or Branyan.

[kjfoster 1553]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

[dew1679666265]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

 

The As gave up Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Houston Street for Holliday this past offseason.

 

I'd be surprised if Beane would take less than what he gave for Holliday. Do we have the pieces to match what the Rockies obtained?

[kjfoster 1553]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

 

The As gave up Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Houston Street for Holliday this past offseason.

 

I'd be surprised if Beane would take less than what he gave for Holliday. Do we have the pieces to match what the Rockies obtained?

 

If you're asking me, I would say we do HAVE the pieces. However, I am not one that believes we should utilize resources on acquiring Matt Holliday.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

 

The As gave up Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Houston Street for Holliday this past offseason.

 

I'd be surprised if Beane would take less than what he gave for Holliday. Do we have the pieces to match what the Rockies obtained?

 

Hendry and Beane seem to have a good relationship. I think Hendry could pull off another one of his patented rabbit out of a hat trades. Remember, between the Nomar, Aramis, and Harden trades, the one guy we MIGHT end up missing one day is Gallagher. Hendry may throw foolish contracts at players, but hes good with trades when this time of year rolls around.

[dew1679666265]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

 

The As gave up Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Houston Street for Holliday this past offseason.

 

I'd be surprised if Beane would take less than what he gave for Holliday. Do we have the pieces to match what the Rockies obtained?

 

If you're asking me, I would say we do HAVE the pieces. However, I am not one that believes we should utilize resources on acquiring Matt Holliday.

 

I wasn't necessarily asking you, it was more of a general question.

 

I just happened to click the "quote" button because it pertained somewhat to my post. :D

[dew1679666265]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

 

The As gave up Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Houston Street for Holliday this past offseason.

 

I'd be surprised if Beane would take less than what he gave for Holliday. Do we have the pieces to match what the Rockies obtained?

 

Hendry and Beane seem to have a good relationship. I think Hendry could pull off another one of his patented rabbit out of a hat trades. Remember, between the Nomar, Aramis, and Harden trades, the one guy we MIGHT end up missing one day is Gallagher. Hendry may throw foolish contracts at players, but hes good with trades when this time of year rolls around.

 

Oh yes, Hendry is excellent at making midseason deals. However, this isn't a player that has come up through the Oakland system. This is a guy that Beane just gave away good, young talent for a few months ago. How bad is he going to look if he basically trades Gonzalez/Smith/Street for Fox/Marshall/Ascanio?

 

I would think he'll have to at least break even valuewise to justify trading Holliday.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

 

The As gave up Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Houston Street for Holliday this past offseason.

 

I'd be surprised if Beane would take less than what he gave for Holliday. Do we have the pieces to match what the Rockies obtained?

 

Hendry and Beane seem to have a good relationship. I think Hendry could pull off another one of his patented rabbit out of a hat trades. Remember, between the Nomar, Aramis, and Harden trades, the one guy we MIGHT end up missing one day is Gallagher. Hendry may throw foolish contracts at players, but hes good with trades when this time of year rolls around.

 

Oh yes, Hendry is excellent at making midseason deals. However, this isn't a player that has come up through the Oakland system. This is a guy that Beane just gave away good, young talent for a few months ago. How bad is he going to look if he basically trades Gonzalez/Smith/Street for Fox/Marshall/Ascanio?

 

I would think he'll have to at least break even valuewise to justify trading Holliday.

 

I dont know too much about Smith, but I know Gonzalez is a top quality prospect and Oakland had lost patience with Street and he was on his way out of town regardless.

[SouthSideRyan]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

 

The As gave up Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Houston Street for Holliday this past offseason.

 

I'd be surprised if Beane would take less than what he gave for Holliday. Do we have the pieces to match what the Rockies obtained?

 

Hendry and Beane seem to have a good relationship. I think Hendry could pull off another one of his patented rabbit out of a hat trades. Remember, between the Nomar, Aramis, and Harden trades, the one guy we MIGHT end up missing one day is Gallagher. Hendry may throw foolish contracts at players, but hes good with trades when this time of year rolls around.

 

Josh Donaldson's a long way away, and won't stick at catcher, but he could still do something.

[dew1679666265]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

 

The As gave up Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Houston Street for Holliday this past offseason.

 

I'd be surprised if Beane would take less than what he gave for Holliday. Do we have the pieces to match what the Rockies obtained?

 

Hendry and Beane seem to have a good relationship. I think Hendry could pull off another one of his patented rabbit out of a hat trades. Remember, between the Nomar, Aramis, and Harden trades, the one guy we MIGHT end up missing one day is Gallagher. Hendry may throw foolish contracts at players, but hes good with trades when this time of year rolls around.

 

Oh yes, Hendry is excellent at making midseason deals. However, this isn't a player that has come up through the Oakland system. This is a guy that Beane just gave away good, young talent for a few months ago. How bad is he going to look if he basically trades Gonzalez/Smith/Street for Fox/Marshall/Ascanio?

 

I would think he'll have to at least break even valuewise to justify trading Holliday.

 

I dont know too much about Smith, but I know Gonzalez is a pretty good prospect and Oakland had lost patience with Street and he was on his way out of town regardless.

 

Street had one average year after three very good to great years. They may have wanted to get rid of him, but he still had a good bit of value.

 

Gonzalez was the top rated prospect in the As organization at the start of 2008 - according to Baseball America - and Oakland pretty much always has a very good farm system.

 

John Sickels had Greg Smith as the 15th rated prospect in the As system as well.

 

That's quite a haul, though I remember some on here weren't as high on those guys as BA seemed to be.

[dew1679666265]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

 

The As gave up Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Houston Street for Holliday this past offseason.

 

I'd be surprised if Beane would take less than what he gave for Holliday. Do we have the pieces to match what the Rockies obtained?

 

Hendry and Beane seem to have a good relationship. I think Hendry could pull off another one of his patented rabbit out of a hat trades. Remember, between the Nomar, Aramis, and Harden trades, the one guy we MIGHT end up missing one day is Gallagher. Hendry may throw foolish contracts at players, but hes good with trades when this time of year rolls around.

 

Josh Donaldson's a long way away, and won't stick at catcher, but he could still do something.

 

Didn't Beane really talk up Donaldson in that deal? I was thinking I heard that Donaldson was a key to the trade, but I could be remembering wrong.

[Guest]

Just saw this on ESPN.com

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

 

The As gave up Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Houston Street for Holliday this past offseason.

 

I'd be surprised if Beane would take less than what he gave for Holliday. Do we have the pieces to match what the Rockies obtained?

 

Hendry and Beane seem to have a good relationship. I think Hendry could pull off another one of his patented rabbit out of a hat trades. Remember, between the Nomar, Aramis, and Harden trades, the one guy we MIGHT end up missing one day is Gallagher. Hendry may throw foolish contracts at players, but hes good with trades when this time of year rolls around.

 

Since I'm assuming Holliday will be a Type A FA, I'd assume Beane would have to get more than what he thinks he could get with the two draft picks he would receive. He's not just going to trade Holliday for whatever.

[17 Seconds]

wait, so some people actually want soriano at second?

[Little Slide Rooter]

wait, so some people actually want soriano at second?

 

No, but some people are desperate for offense.

[dew1679666265]

wait, so some people actually want soriano at second?

 

Holliday in left and Soriano at second would make more sense than Fox at third, but no, ultimately I don't want that. Much like with Fox, I think the severe downgrade defensively would mostly overcome whatever offensive gains we would make.

 

Plus, I think Holliday will be rather expensive prospect-wise.

[Backtobanks]

wait, so some people actually want soriano at second?

 

Holliday in left and Soriano at second would make more sense than Fox at third, but no, ultimately I don't want that. Much like with Fox, I think the severe downgrade defensively would mostly overcome whatever offensive gains we would make.

 

Plus, I think Holliday will be rather expensive prospect-wise.

 

Yeah, with 5+ teams interested he won't be cheap.

[javy knows my name]

wait, so some people actually want soriano at second?

 

Holliday in left and Soriano at second would make more sense than Fox at third, but no, ultimately I don't want that. Much like with Fox, I think the severe downgrade defensively would mostly overcome whatever offensive gains we would make.

 

Plus, I think Holliday will be rather expensive prospect-wise.

 

Yeah, with 5+ teams interested he won't be cheap.

 

Aren't we also talking about a significant downgrade in left if we replace Soriano with Holiday? We need to get Colin Wyers in here to tell us that we'd be better off with a lineup full of Joey Gathrights than our lineup as currently constructed.

[dew1679666265]

wait, so some people actually want soriano at second?

 

Holliday in left and Soriano at second would make more sense than Fox at third, but no, ultimately I don't want that. Much like with Fox, I think the severe downgrade defensively would mostly overcome whatever offensive gains we would make.

 

Plus, I think Holliday will be rather expensive prospect-wise.

 

Yeah, with 5+ teams interested he won't be cheap.

 

Aren't we also talking about a significant downgrade in left if we replace Soriano with Holiday? We need to get Colin Wyers in here to tell us that we'd be better off with a lineup full of Joey Gathrights than our lineup as currently constructed.

 

According to UZR, Holliday is actually a better defender in left than Soriano. Holliday put up a 9.1 UZR last year and is posting a 4.6 UZR so far this season. Soriano is at -2.5 this year and was at 2.5 last year.

 

For their careers, Soriano has a 26.5 UZR and Holliday has a 31.3 UZR.

 

Sori to second is a different story, though.

[17 Seconds]

wait, so some people actually want soriano at second?

 

No, but some people are desperate for offense.

 

my point is that some people are okay with soriano at second which is crazy.... especially when we're talking about doing it to get a get who would be a rental player and might not even be that good out of coors to begin with.

 

it would be a terrible move

[Sammy Sofa]

wait, so some people actually want soriano at second?

 

No, but some people are desperate for offense.

 

my point is that some people are okay with soriano at second which is crazy.... especially when we're talking about doing it to get a get who would be a rental player and might not even be that good out of coors to begin with.

 

it would be a terrible move

 

His numbers are better on the road.

[17 Seconds]

wait, so some people actually want soriano at second?

 

No, but some people are desperate for offense.

 

my point is that some people are okay with soriano at second which is crazy.... especially when we're talking about doing it to get a get who would be a rental player and might not even be that good out of coors to begin with.

 

it would be a terrible move

 

His numbers are better on the road.

 

well obviously........ he plays in oakland.

 

here are his career road numbers

 

04- .240/.287/.367 (.654)

05- .256/.313/.416 (.729)

06- .280/.333/.485 (.819)

07- .301/.374/.485 (.860)

08- .308/.405/.486 (.892)

09- .305/.392/.476 (.868)

 

obviously he was helped a lot by coors. he looks to be a mid to high .800's OPS guy in a neutral park.

 

obviously he's a good hitter, i'm not denying that. but a great hitter? no, i don't think so. if we're talking about moving soriano to second base and trading for a guy who is only under control for a few more months, he better be a badass hitter. holliday is not worth all that. even if he wasn't in his contract year i wouldn't really like it. it seems like a desperation move.

 

seriously, a middle infield of theriot and soriano is a really really bad idea. adding an .865 OPS bat to the lineup isnt worth that

[Sammy Sofa]

So you don't see a trend in those numbers?

 

You seem to place most of a player's worth in career averages uber alles.

[17 Seconds]

So you don't see a trend in those numbers?

 

You seem to place most of a player's worth in career averages uber alles.

 

what trend? i see that he's never had an OPS over .892 in parks other than coors. you don't see that? even in his monster years he didn't do it. what makes you think he's some badass .900+ OPS guy? coors inflated numbers? i didn't think people still fell for those

[Sammy Sofa]

what trend?

 

In the road numbers you just posted, you really don't see a clear trend?

 

i see that he's never had an OPS over .892 in parks other than coors. you don't see that? even in his monster years he didn't do it. what makes you think he's some badass .900+ OPS guy?

 

Where did I say I think he's a "badass .900+ OPS guy?"

 

coors inflated numbers? i didn't think people still fell for those

 

We're not talking about Coors numbers.

[17 Seconds]

what trend?

 

In the road numbers you just posted, you really don't see a clear trend?

 

i see that he's never had an OPS over .892 in parks other than coors. you don't see that? even in his monster years he didn't do it. what makes you think he's some badass .900+ OPS guy?

 

Where did I say I think he's a "badass .900+ OPS guy?"

 

coors inflated numbers? i didn't think people still fell for those

 

We're not talking about Coors numbers.

 

well we should be, considering those are the only numbers to make you think it's worth prospects and crippling defense to get him for 3 months

 

and yeah, i see that his road numbers were getting better. the point is that they've never gotten to the point where you say "good prospects + soriano at 2B for 3 months of holliday? sign me up!"

 

when you consider what we'd have to give up, the fact that he's a rental player, and the fact that we'd have soriano at second, a high .800's OPS isj ust not worth it. if we're doing all that, we'd better because some badass kind of mannyesque hitter.

 

holliday is a nice hitter. he hasn't shown to be an elite hitter at anytime outside of coors.