GRB/NSBB ESPN Fantasy Auction League

[NonProfitCow]

http://www.holytaco.com/inner-monologues-two-very-different-guys-fantasy-baseball-draft

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I had a plan of what I wanted to spend per spot going in, and that really helped me. I went over it early to ensure I got my top tier guys, but I was able to get it back later when I had more money than most(my other 5-6 starters combined cost as much as it did to get Halladay). It's light on pitching, especially with Price starting in AAA, but I'm real happy with it. I'm hooked on the auction style.

 

Do you mean you had a plan of $/position? Like "I'm going to spend $20 on my 1B, $25 on my top SP, no more than $8 on 2 more SPs, $20 on one closer, $5 on the other, etc."

 

I really liked the auction style, but I'm trying to figure out a better strategy for the next time around.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I had a plan of what I wanted to spend per spot going in, and that really helped me. I went over it early to ensure I got my top tier guys, but I was able to get it back later when I had more money than most(my other 5-6 starters combined cost as much as it did to get Halladay). It's light on pitching, especially with Price starting in AAA, but I'm real happy with it. I'm hooked on the auction style.

 

Do you mean you had a plan of $/position? Like "I'm going to spend $20 on my 1B, $25 on my top SP, no more than $8 on 2 more SPs, $20 on one closer, $5 on the other, etc."

 

I really liked the auction style, but I'm trying to figure out a better strategy for the next time around.

 

Yeah. It was something like this:

 

C - 15

1B - 15

2B - 30

3B - 30

SS - 35

OF - 20

OF - 10

OF - 5

OF - 3

OF - 3

UT - 2

All 3 BN - 2 each

 

SP - 25

SP 2-6 - 5 each

RP - 20

RP - 5

P - 3

 

It worked well for me, although I think I got lucky that I was able to fill in most of my rotation and outfield for less than my budgeted amount.

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I had a plan of what I wanted to spend per spot going in, and that really helped me. I went over it early to ensure I got my top tier guys, but I was able to get it back later when I had more money than most(my other 5-6 starters combined cost as much as it did to get Halladay). It's light on pitching, especially with Price starting in AAA, but I'm real happy with it. I'm hooked on the auction style.

 

Do you mean you had a plan of $/position? Like "I'm going to spend $20 on my 1B, $25 on my top SP, no more than $8 on 2 more SPs, $20 on one closer, $5 on the other, etc."

 

I really liked the auction style, but I'm trying to figure out a better strategy for the next time around.

 

Yeah. It was something like this:

 

C - 15

1B - 15

2B - 30

3B - 30

SS - 35

OF - 20

OF - 10

OF - 5

OF - 3

OF - 3

UT - 2

All 3 BN - 2 each

 

SP - 25

SP 2-6 - 5 each

RP - 20

RP - 5

P - 3

 

It worked well for me, although I think I got lucky that I was able to fill in most of my rotation and outfield for less than my budgeted amount.

 

Thanks. That makes sense. I didn't prepare b/c I didn't have time and didn't think I'd be able to make the draft anyway.

 

I was surprised how many guys could be had for under $3 (I got 9 players for $3 or less). Let alone the quality left when people were filling out their rosters for $1 each. I guess a 10-team league will do that. Though, I do wonder how much the group's collective inexperience led to overpaying early and steals later (Soria going for $19 while K-Rod went for $7 as a prime example).

[TruffleShuffle]

It was a lot of fun. But it was my first auction draft and I hadn't the foggiest idea what I was doing. And I missed the first 10 minutes or so and then got interrupted by my son too. I still like my team, though there's a few guys I wish I didn't end up with and a few I missed out on by being late. Only takes one auction to realize you need to keep some money for the end when the real steals happen (K-Rod went for like $7 at the end when Motte went for $4 early, e.g.).

 

yeah k-rod went for $10. at that point i really wished i hadn't spent $20 on mo rivera. motte went for $7; i figured cards fans would be all over him so i'm not surprised that he went early and for a higher price than he would have in most leagues.

 

for discussion/those interested...

 

1	Hanley Ramirez, Fla	GRB thrillz	$44
2	Albert Pujols, StL		Hendry's Misfits	$41
3	Jose Reyes, NYM		Hendry's Misfits	$39
4	David Wright, NYM	Shoulda Started Wegman	$39
5	Ryan Braun, Mil		GRB lazy bums	$35
6	Matt Holliday, Oak	GRB lazy bums	$24
7	Grady Sizemore, Cle	GRB ICE	$35
8	Derrek Lee, ChC		Team Nickelson	$16
9	Miguel Cabrera, Det	GRB lazy bums	$37
10	Johan Santana, NYM	Team Nickelson	$38

ROUND 2
11	Brandon Webb, Ari	Team Nickelson	$32
12	Jimmy Rollins, Phi		Shoulda Started Wegman	$33
13	Tim Lincecum, SF		GRB thrillz	$32
14	Mark Teixeira, NYY	Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$33
15	Dustin Pedroia, Bos	GRB ICE	$25
16	Matt Wieters, Bal		GRB thrillz	$8
17	Carlos Lee, Hou		Team Black	$28
18	Alex Rodriguez, NYY	Team Nickelson	$29
19	Lance Berkman, Hou	Team Black	$30
20	Alfonso Soriano, ChC	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$27

ROUND 3
21	CC Sabathia, NYY		Team Black	$29
22	Carlos Beltran, NYM	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$33
23	Roy Halladay, Tor		Shoulda Started Wegman	$27
24	Chase Utley, Phi		Shoulda Started Wegman	$29
25	Ryan Howard, Phi		Hendry's Misfits	$26
26	Evan Longoria, TB		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$24
27	Josh Hamilton, Tex	GRB thrillz	$27
28	J.J. Hardy, Mil		Shoulda Started Wegman	$7
29	Roy Oswalt, Hou		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$28
30	Ichiro Suzuki, Sea		GRB thrillz	$24

ROUND 4
31	Zack Greinke, KC		GRB thrillz	$14
32	Clayton Kershaw, LAD	GRB ICE	$8
33	Cole Hamels, Phi		Team Black	$17
34	Jake Peavy, SD		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$24
35	Ian Kinsler, Tex		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$24
36	Derek Jeter, NYY		Team Nickelson	$12
37	Nick Markakis, Bal		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$26
38	Johnny Cueto, Cin	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$7
39	Jonathan Papelbon, 	Bos	Team Black	$21
40	Prince Fielder, Mil		GRB ICE	$23

ROUND 5
41	Adam Dunn, Was		GRB thrillz	$13
42	Felix Hernandez, Sea	GRB ICE	$21
43	Carl Crawford, TB		Shoulda Started Wegman	$22
44	Chad Billingsley, LAD	Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$23
45	Ryan Theriot, ChC	GRB ICE	$4
46	Dan Haren, Ari		GRB thrillz	$25
47	John Lackey, LAA		Team Black	$20
48	Carlos Marmol, ChC	Team Nickelson	$14
49	Joe Nathan, Min		Team Black	$21
50	Manny Ramirez, LAD	GRB thrillz	$18

ROUND 6
51	Justin Verlander, Det	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$11
52	Matt Kemp, LAD		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$25
53	Cliff Lee, Cle		GRB Chundermonkeys	$17
54	Geovany Soto, ChC	Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$14
55	James Shields, TB		Team Black	$18
56	Francisco Liriano, Min	GRB ICE	$20
57	Mariano Rivera, NYY	Hendry's Misfits	$20
58	Jason Bay, Bos		GRB ICE	$19
59	Brian McCann, Atl		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$16
60	Justin Morneau, Min	Team Black	$21

ROUND 7
61	Jason Motte, StL		GRB thrillz	$7
62	Vladimir Guerrero, LAA	Team Nickelson	$16
63	Yovani Gallardo, Mil	GRB Chundermonkeys	$17
64	Kevin Youkilis, Bos	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$18
65	Brandon Phillips, Cin	Team Black	$17
66	Josh Beckett, Bos		Team Black	$18
67	Joakim Soria, KC		Shoulda Started Wegman	$19
68	Ted Lilly, ChC		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$9
69	Brad Lidge, Phi		GRB Chundermonkeys	$17
70	Brian Roberts, Bal		Hendry's Misfits	$17

ROUND 8
71	Octavio Dotel, CWS	GRB thrillz	$3
72	Josh Johnson, Fla		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$10
73	Daisuke Matsuzaka, Bos	Team Nickelson	$15
74	Alex Rios, Tor		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$14
75	Aramis Ramirez, ChC	Hendry's Misfits	$17
76	Scott Kazmir, TB		GRB ICE	$12
77	B.J. Upton, TB		Hendry's Misfits	$18
78	Ryan Dempster, ChC	GRB ICE	$7
79	Jose Valverde, Hou	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$12
80	Scott Baker, Min		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$13

ROUND 9
81	Barry Zito, SF		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$2
82	Shane Victorino, Phi	GRB ICE	$10
83	Jon Lester, Bos		GRB Chundermonkeys	$12
84	Adam Wainwright, StL	Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$12
85	Chipper Jones, Atl		Hendry's Misfits	$16
86	B.J. Ryan, Tor		GRB Chundermonkeys	$14
87	Nate McLouth, Pit		GRB Chundermonkeys	$14
88	Mike Fontenot, ChC	Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$3
89	Hunter Pence, Hou	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$11
90	Curtis Granderson, Det	Team Nickelson	$14

ROUND 10
91	Mark Reynolds, Ari	GRB thrillz	$6
92	Bobby Abreu, LAA		GRB Chundermonkeys	$11
93	Kevin Slowey, Min		Team Nickelson	$9
94	Chris Davis, Tex		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$16
95	Ryan Zimmerman, Was	GRB lazy bums	$9
96	Brian Fuentes, LAA	GRB Chundermonkeys	$7
97	Magglio Ordonez, Det	GRB Chundermonkeys	$10
98	Nick Johnson, Was	Team Nickelson	$1
99	Robinson Cano, NYY	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$6
100	Russell Martin, LAD	Team Nickelson	$13

ROUND 11
101	Justin Upton, Ari		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$7
102	Scott Rolen, Tor		GRB ICE	$3
103	Rich Harden, ChC		Team Nickelson	$10
104	Stephen Drew, Ari	GRB lazy bums	$9
105	Carlos Pena, TB		GRB thrillz	$11
106	Bobby Jenks, CWS	GRB Chundermonkeys	$9
107	Francisco Rodriguez, NYM	GRB lazy bums	$10
108	Erik Bedard, Sea		GRB thrillz	$7
109	Adrian Gonzalez, SD	Shoulda Started Wegman	$13
110	Jacoby Ellsbury, Bos	Hendry's Misfits	$12

ROUND 12
111	Mark Buehrle, CWS	GRB thrillz	$3
112	Chris Carpenter, StL	GRB ICE	$9
113	Javier Vazquez, Atl	GRB thrillz	$7
114	Jay Bruce, Cin		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$11
115	Ryan Ludwick, StL	GRB lazy bums	$7
116	Jonathan Broxton, LAD	GRB lazy bums	$12
117	Alexei Ramirez, CWS	GRB lazy bums	$12
118	Mark DeRosa, Cle		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$6
119	David Ortiz, Bos		GRB Chundermonkeys	$11
120	Corey Hart, Mil		Hendry's Misfits	$11

ROUND 13
121	Colby Rasmus, StL	GRB ICE	$2
122	Mike Jacobs, KC		GRB ICE	$5
123	Joba Chamberlain, NYY	GRB ICE	$12
124	Kerry Wood, Cle		GRB Chundermonkeys	$10
125	Carlos Quentin, CWS	GRB lazy bums	$13
126	A.J. Burnett, NYY		Hendry's Misfits	$8
127	Troy Tulowitzki, Col	Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$8
128	Kelly Johnson, Atl		Hendry's Misfits	$3
129	Derek Lowe, Atl		GRB Chundermonkeys	$7
130	Rafael Furcal, LAD	GRB lazy bums	$7

ROUND 14
131	Chad Qualls, Ari		GRB lazy bums	$4
132	Johnny Damon, NYY	GRB Chundermonkeys	$8
133	Carlos Zambrano, ChC	Team Nickelson	$8
134	Aubrey Huff, Bal		GRB lazy bums	$7
135	Matt Cain, SF		GRB Chundermonkeys	$8
136	Francisco Cordero, Cin	Hendry's Misfits	$9
137	Matt Garza, TB		GRB Chundermonkeys	$10
138	Joe Mauer, Min		Shoulda Started Wegman	$9
139	Miguel Tejada, Hou	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$3
140	Joey Votto, Cin		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$10

ROUND 15
141	Cameron Maybin, Fla	GRB lazy bums	$4
142	Ricky Nolasco, Fla		GRB Chundermonkeys	$7
143	Edinson Volquez, Cin	Team Nickelson	$7
144	Pat Burrell, TB		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$6
145	Ervin Santana, LAA	Hendry's Misfits	$6
146	Max Scherzer, Ari		Team Black	$7
147	Dan Uggla, Fla		GRB ICE	$7
148	Howie Kendrick, LAA	GRB Chundermonkeys	$4
149	Joey Devine, Oak		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$4
150	Garrett Atkins, Col	Shoulda Started Wegman	$8

ROUND 16
151	Jered Weaver, LAA	Shoulda Started Wegman	$2
152	Frank Francisco, Tex	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$4
153	Brett Myers, Phi		Shoulda Started Wegman	$3
154	Aaron Harang, Cin		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$3
155	Rick Ankiel, StL		GRB ICE	$4
156	Matt Capps, Pit		GRB lazy bums	$6
157	Heath Bell, SD		GRB lazy bums	$6
158	Orlando Hudson, LAD	Team Nickelson	$3
159	Conor Jackson, Ari	GRB Chundermonkeys	$4
160	Raul Ibanez, Phi		Shoulda Started Wegman	$8

ROUND 17
161	Gordon Beckham, CWS	GRB thrillz	$1
162	George Sherrill, Bal	GRB ICE	$1
163	Gil Meche, KC		Shoulda Started Wegman	$4
164	Chris Young, SD		GRB thrillz	$2
165	Kelly Shoppach, Cle	Shoulda Started Wegman	$2
166	David Price, TB		Shoulda Started Wegman	$3
167	Adrian Beltre, Sea		GRB Chundermonkeys	$3
168	Victor Martinez, Cle	GRB Chundermonkeys	$5
169	Chone Figgins, LAA	GRB lazy bums	$6
170	Andre Ethier, LAD		Shoulda Started Wegman	$5

ROUND 18
171	Jermaine Dye, CWS	GRB lazy bums	$6
172	Chris Iannetta, Col	GRB lazy bums	$4
173	Randy Johnson, SF	Hendry's Misfits	$3
174	Edwin Encarnacion, Cin	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$4
175	Mike Napoli, LAA		GRB ICE	$2
176	Chien-Ming Wang, NYY	Shoulda Started Wegman	$3
177	Torii Hunter, LAA		GRB Chundermonkeys	$5
178	Alex Gordon, KC		Shoulda Started Wegman	$4
179	Michael Young, Tex	Team Nickelson	$5
180	Placido Polanco, Det	GRB Chundermonkeys	$3

ROUND 19
181	Bronson Arroyo, Cin	GRB thrillz	$1
182	Huston Street, Col	GRB ICE	$3
183	John Danks, CWS		Shoulda Started Wegman	$3
184	Hiroki Kuroda, LAD	Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$1
185	Chris Young, Ari		Shoulda Started Wegman	$4
186	Brad Hawpe, Col		Shoulda Started Wegman	$5
187	Vernon Wells, Tor		GRB lazy bums	$3
188	Sean Marshall, ChC	Team Nickelson	$1
189	Ryan Doumit, Pit		Hendry's Misfits	$2
190	Adam LaRoche, Pit	GRB Chundermonkeys	$3

ROUND 20
191	Jim Thome, CWS		GRB lazy bums	$5
192	Milton Bradley, ChC	GRB ICE	$9
193	Mike Gonzalez, Atl	GRB lazy bums	$3
194	Carlos Delgado, NYM	GRB ICE	$3
195	Wandy Rodriguez, Hou	Hendry's Misfits	$1
196	Brian Wilson, SF		Shoulda Started Wegman	$4
197	Jayson Werth, Phi		GRB ICE	$3
198	Jorge Cantu, Fla		GRB ICE	$2
199	Xavier Nady, NYY		Team Nickelson	$2
200	Jhonny Peralta, Cle	Team Nickelson	$4

ROUND 21
201	Mike Aviles, KC	GRB 	Chundermonkeys	$3
202	Brandon Morrow, Sea	GRB lazy bums	$1
203	Jair Jurrjens, Atl		Team Nickelson	$2
204	David DeJesus, KC	Team Nickelson	$2
205	Lastings Milledge, Was	Shoulda Started Wegman	$3
206	Jose Lopez, Sea		GRB thrillz	$2
207	Adam Jones, Bal		Hendry's Misfits	$2
208	Mike Cameron, Mil		Hendry's Misfits	$3
209	Carlos Guillen, Det	Team Nickelson	$2
210	J.J. Putz, NYM		GRB lazy bums	$3

ROUND 22
211	Coco Crisp, KC		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$1
212	Dan Wheeler, TB		Hendry's Misfits	$1
213	Rickie Weeks, Mil		Shoulda Started Wegman	$1
214	Pablo Sandoval, SF	Team Black	$1
215	Trevor Hoffman, Mil	Team Nickelson	$1
216	Delmon Young, Min	Team Nickelson	$2
217	Matt Lindstrom, Fla	GRB thrillz	$1
218	Justin Masterson, Bos	GRB lazy bums	$1
219	Brandon Lyon, Det	Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$1
220	Fausto Carmona, Cle	Hendry's Misfits	$1

ROUND 23
221	Andy Sonnanstine, TB	Team Black	$1
222	James Loney, LAD		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$1
223	Paul Konerko, CWS	GRB thrillz	$1
224	Orlando Cabrera, Oak	Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$1
225	Joel Hanrahan, Was	Hendry's Misfits	$1
226	Jorge Posada, NYY	Team Black	$1
227	Hideki Matsui, NYY	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$1
228	Melvin Mora, Ba	l	GRB thrillz	$1
229	Kevin Gregg, ChC		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$1
230	Troy Percival, TB		Hendry's Misfits	$1

ROUND 24
231	Carlos Gomez, Min	Team Black	$1
232	Willy Taveras, Cin		No Teasin Just Pleasin	$1
233	J. Duchscherer, Oak	GRB thrillz	$1
234	Brad Ziegler, Oak		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$1
235	Bengie Molina, SF		Hendry's Misfits	$1
236	Felipe Lopez, Ari		Team Black	$1
237	Ubaldo Jimenez, Col	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$1
238	Shin-Soo Choo, Cle	GRB thrillz	$1
239	Jeremy Hermida, Fla	Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$1
240	Ramon Hernandez, Cin	Hendry's Misfits	$1

ROUND 25
241	Jason Bartlett, TB		Team Black	$1
242	Ivan Rodriguez, Hou	No Teasin Just Pleasin	$1
243	Chris Volstad, Fla		Kathleen Turner Overdrive	$1
244	Adam Lind, Tor		Team Black	$1
245	Eric Byrnes, Ari		Team Black	$1
246	Chase Headley, SD	Team Black	$1
247	Jed Lowrie, Bos		Team Black	$1
248	Jeremy Guthrie, Bal	Team Black	$1
249	Armando Galarraga, Det	Team Black	$1
250	Travis Hafner, Cle		Team Black	$1

[NonProfitCow]

I'm proud of my round 8 and 20.

 

Got Kazmir and Dempster for $19 in Round 8.

Got Bradley, Carlos Delgado, Jorge Cantu and Jayson Werth for $17 in Round 20.

[TruffleShuffle]

who the hell nominated/drafted gordon beckham???

[NonProfitCow]

who the hell nominated/drafted gordon beckham???

That was thrill. He was down to like 20 bucks really fast. He also nominated Zito.

[TruffleShuffle]

who the hell nominated/drafted gordon beckham???

That was thrill. He was down to like 20 bucks really fast. He also nominated Zito.

 

(a) i can't believe someone bid $2 and took zito away from him

(b) you can actually nominate decent players and get them for a dollar... you don't have to nominate guys who won't see the major leagues, or guys who are awful players.

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I think Zito was a joke to see if someone would take him. There was a lot of driving up prices by people who didn't really want players.

[TruffleShuffle]

I think Zito was a joke to see if someone would take him. There was a lot of driving up prices by people who didn't really want players.

 

yeah i did that to a couple of autodraft people.

[wolf stansson]

who the hell nominated/drafted gordon beckham???

That was thrill. He was down to like 20 bucks really fast. He also nominated Zito.

I was trying to get Vance to try to drive up the price on Zito and end up with him because he was doing it to all of my nominations. Instead my friend Matt ended up with him.

[TruffleShuffle]

who's the other GRB person in the league? four of the five have GRB at the beginning of the name but the fifth one does not.

 

seems pretty even so far, GRB people are in 2nd, 6th, 7th and 10th.

[TruffleShuffle]

(a) who dropped soto?

(b) i had doumit and he got hurt, so thank you.

[TruffleShuffle]

i picked up kyle lohse in this league and he's since had two bad starts... you can bet i'm keeping him around!

[Tracer Bullet]

(a) who dropped soto?

(b) i had doumit and he got hurt, so thank you.

 

you're welcome. I dropped Soto to pick up Bengie Molina. If I were you, I'd have picked up Molina a few days before you picked up Soto.

[TruffleShuffle]

maybe soto just sucks now, i dunno. i just have a hard time believing that a guy who was really good last year can fall apart in a few months.

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maybe soto just sucks now, i dunno. i just have a hard time believing that a guy who was really good last year can fall apart in a few months.

 

Sure, he might be .280/60/20/80/0 again if he bounces back the next 4-5 months. But other than last year's OPS, that's pretty close to what you'd get from Molina for the last several years: .280-ish, 40 R, 16-20 HR, 80 RBI. Given Soto's weight issues and the fact that this slow start has lasted 6 weeks or so, I was happy to take a shot with Molina (with Inge as well) than hope Soto turns it around soon.

[Tracer Bullet]

(a) who dropped soto?

(b) i had doumit and he got hurt, so thank you.

 

You're welcome!

[TruffleShuffle]

(a) who dropped soto?

(b) i had doumit and he got hurt, so thank you.

 

You're welcome!

 

soto was playing well the last month. but thanks for reminding me that i need a new catcher now.

[TruffleShuffle]

final standings:

 

GRB lazy bums 139 95 8 .591 --

No Teasin Just Pleasin 124 99 19 .552 9.5

Kathleen Turner Overdrive 126 103 13 .548 10.5

Hendry's Misfits 129 106 7 .548 10.5

Shoulda Started Wegman 123 105 14 .537 13

GRB thrillz 113 114 15 .498 22.5

GRB ICE 112 116 14 .492 24

Team Black 106 116 20 .479 27

GRB Chundermonkeys 86 141 15 .386 49.5

Don't F*** with DeJesus 82 145 15 .370 53.5

 

i don't know who the last GRB team was. i beat GRB lazy bums last week in the semifinals and play KTO in the finals.

[Tracer Bullet]

That's me in the finals with you. I don't expect this to end well.

[CubbieBum]

Ha. Forgot all about this league and didn't finish last. Success!

[TruffleShuffle]

That's me in the finals with you. I don't expect this to end well.

 

st. louis lost. it ended well.

[Tracer Bullet]

You have enough power in your lineup. I don't need Mike Cameron hitting 2 bombs as well.