Stephen Strasburg signs with the Nationals ($15m deal)

[Outshined_One]

In the situation he were to last to Boston or New York, I think both teams would give him that.

No doubt about that. They'll pay what it takes to get a player they want, slot recommendations be damned.

 

After the Gerrit Cole incident, I have to wonder with the Yankees.

[TruffleShuffle]

In the situation he were to last to Boston or New York, I think both teams would give him that.

No doubt about that. They'll pay what it takes to get a player they want, slot recommendations be damned.

 

they'll go over slot, but 6 years and $50 million? that's not just going above slot, that's blowing the slotting system out of the water. that would piss off the commissioner's office and every other team in major league baseball. plus if strasburg is worth $50M, then how much is the next joe mauer worth? $25M? isn't the next justin upton or b.j. upton or whatever worth more than they got, because they're hardly 1/20th the player that strasburg is?

 

no mlb team wants to set a precedent of paying an amateur player $50M; it will not happen this year.

[Mephistopheles]

In the situation he were to last to Boston or New York, I think both teams would give him that.

No doubt about that. They'll pay what it takes to get a player they want, slot recommendations be damned.

 

After the Gerrit Cole incident, I have to wonder with the Yankees.

 

They didn't lose anything. With the new rules you get the pick back if you don't agree to a contract.

[Mephistopheles]

So you don't buy into the theory that pitches while fatigued do more damage?

 

Not significantly.

[Guest]

So you don't buy into the theory that pitches while fatigued do more damage?

 

Not significantly.

It may be that knowledge of materials is failing to apply to the human body here, but that just doesn't seem right. Can you explain why you're of that opinion? It seems contrary to most of what I've read on the subject, as well.

[Mephistopheles]

why do we define 100+ pitches as "tired".

[badnews]

So Prior breaking down had nothing to do with the fact that you look at his pitch counts for 2003, especially September and after when he was averaging like 126 pitches a game, I mean, the pitch counts were abominable. You can point to Randy Johnson, but I don't judge anybody on the same scale I'd judge Randy Johnson, he's a freak of nature. Prior was 22 and he lead the majors in average pitches per game and basically every pitch count category, how often does that happen? Randy Johnson and then you have to way back to like, Steve Carlton or somebody, and things were so different back then I don't think it's an apt comparison.

 

Back to this Strasburg fellow. I don't understand why anyone would give him so much money. The list of uber-hard throwers is not as awesome as you might think. If this guy can throw 105 mph and be hurt a lot, is that better than throwing 98 and staying healthy?

 

Joel Zumaya's fastball is the one talked up the most currently in the majors, his career K/9 is not that great. Pat Neshek and his goofball delivery are about as effective as Zumaya's 102 mph fastball. Of course I think Pat Neshek's arm has now been severed.

 

Another thing, at least I, can't judge anything from the hype any more. I'm still smarting from back when the "experts" called Andrew Miller of the Marlins the next Randy Johnson. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see another Randy Johnson for quite a long time.

[Guest]

why do we define 100+ pitches as "tired".

Why are you deflecting instead of answering simple questions? :)

 

Pick whatever cutoff you like or take it game by game and look for signs such as changing mechanics, loss of velocity, command or other factors. One way or another, I find it hard to believe that you don't see pitches while fatigued being harder on the arm.

[cubswin2009]

Hopefully the Nationals don't hire Dusty Baker anytime soon.

[TruffleShuffle]

the nats said today that they're taking him.

[shnsajax]

He is going to be one of the highest paid players on the Nats before ever playing a professional game.

[JGalt73]

17K no hitter vs. Air Force tonight.

[TruffleShuffle]

17K no hitter vs. Air Force tonight.

 

:shock:

[Outshined_One]

17K no hitter vs. Air Force tonight.

 

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

[shnsajax]

So if the Nats don't sign Strasburg this year, do they get the 2nd pick in the draft as compensation for him as part of the new rule?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So if the Nats don't sign Strasburg this year, do they get the 2nd pick in the draft as compensation for him as part of the new rule?

 

I think that is correct.

[shnsajax]

So if the Nats don't sign Strasburg this year, do they get the 2nd pick in the draft as compensation for him as part of the new rule?

 

I think that is correct.

 

So they would have the #1 and #2 pick in the draft leading up to next year. What would really prevent them from being able to negotiate with Strasburg up until the draft next year. I realize its not really within league rules, but in this case why not make an exception since teams can strike pre-draft deals.

[Guest]

So if the Nats don't sign Strasburg this year, do they get the 2nd pick in the draft as compensation for him as part of the new rule?

 

I think that is correct.

 

So they would have the #1 and #2 pick in the draft leading up to next year. What would really prevent them from being able to negotiate with Strasburg up until the draft next year. I realize its not really within league rules, but in this case why not make an exception since teams can strike pre-draft deals.

 

Strasburg would have to give the Nationals permission to draft him again.

[shnsajax]

So if the Nats don't sign Strasburg this year, do they get the 2nd pick in the draft as compensation for him as part of the new rule?

 

I think that is correct.

 

So they would have the #1 and #2 pick in the draft leading up to next year. What would really prevent them from being able to negotiate with Strasburg up until the draft next year. I realize its not really within league rules, but in this case why not make an exception since teams can strike pre-draft deals.

 

Strasburg would have to give the Nationals permission to draft him again.

 

Is that new? Just thinking back to when we drafted Fuld again.

[Guest]

So if the Nats don't sign Strasburg this year, do they get the 2nd pick in the draft as compensation for him as part of the new rule?

 

I think that is correct.

 

So they would have the #1 and #2 pick in the draft leading up to next year. What would really prevent them from being able to negotiate with Strasburg up until the draft next year. I realize its not really within league rules, but in this case why not make an exception since teams can strike pre-draft deals.

 

Strasburg would have to give the Nationals permission to draft him again.

 

Is that new? Just thinking back to when we drafted Fuld again.

 

No, it's been around for a while now. It's not a big deal for a guy like Fuld who got drafted outside the first round both times (or Marquez Smith, Jordan Petraitis or even Andrew Cashner who was a 29th rounder the first time around).

[erik316wttn]

The deadline for him to sign with the Nationals is just a few days away, correct? I've heard nothing of the negotiations. Are they going to get him signed or not?

[Outshined_One]

The deadline for him to sign with the Nationals is just a few days away, correct? I've heard nothing of the negotiations. Are they going to get him signed or not?

 

Reportedly the Nationals' owner went out to meet with him. I'm guessing this will get done, but at the wire.

[illiniguy]

Let's say they do sign him. Can they afford to draft Harper then the next year?

[shnsajax]

Let's say they do sign him. Can they afford to draft Harper then the next year?

 

I would hope so and even think so, but who knows. They seem like they could add some payroll unlike some other teams. Attracting FA's to play for them is another story all together.

[Derwood]

The Nationals have offered a $17 million deal, with "easy to reach incentives" that would push it to $20 million.

 

Boras is talking $50 million. Has he finally lost it?