College Football - Week of 10/11

[Flames24Rulz]

BYU and Utah are NOT better teams than Florida, Mizzou, Georgia and LSU, regardless of W-L records

 

BYU and Utah haven't lost a game. Those others have. That's what polls go by, not who's better than who.

 

which is why the BCS was invented, because the polls are horrible and wrong

 

No one's saying they're not. But as of October 11th, 2008, BYU and Utah deserve to be ranked higher than those teams.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Bye National Championship.

Bye Heisman Trophy.

Bye BCS maybe?

Bye Big 12 Championship maybe?

 

Only positive from tonight: I was on the field tonight and Erin Andrews rubbed against my arm.

 

The atmosphere tonight was awesome too. Best I've ever seen at Faurot. Too bad we couldn't complete the comeback. I hate everything.

[Mephistopheles]

ole miss is better than every other team okie state has played...and thats pretty sad

[TruffleShuffle]

BYU and Utah are NOT better teams than Florida, Mizzou, Georgia and LSU, regardless of W-L records

 

BYU and Utah haven't lost a game. Those others have. That's what polls go by, not who's better than who.

 

byu and utah will play each other, and each has a game with tcu, who is very good. utah was one of the top 5 teams in the country when alex smith was there; boise st was a top 5 team the year they won the fiesta bowl. yet everyone continues to crap on good teams not in bcs conferences simply because they aren't as athletic.

[Mephistopheles]

BYU and Utah are NOT better teams than Florida, Mizzou, Georgia and LSU, regardless of W-L records

 

BYU and Utah haven't lost a game. Those others have. That's what polls go by, not who's better than who.

 

which is why the BCS was invented, because the polls are horrible and wrong

 

No one's saying they're not. But as of October 11th, 2008, BYU and Utah deserve to be ranked higher than those teams.

 

they dont deserve to be ranked higher because theyre not better football teams. rankings are supposed to rank teams by if the two teams played the next day on the field, who would be better.

 

if florida faced OSU tomorrow who would probably win? uf

if utah played UF tomorrow, who would probably win? uf

 

etc

[Derwood]

BYU and Utah are NOT better teams than Florida, Mizzou, Georgia and LSU, regardless of W-L records

 

BYU and Utah haven't lost a game. Those others have. That's what polls go by, not who's better than who.

 

byu and utah will play each other, and each has a game with tcu, who is very good. utah was one of the top 5 teams in the country when alex smith was there; boise st was a top 5 team the year they won the fiesta bowl. yet everyone continues to crap on good teams not in bcs conferences simply because they aren't as athletic.

 

if they're undefeated at the end of the year, I have no problem with them making a BCS game. But to say that and undefeated Utah or BYU team is better than a one-loss SEC or Big XII team after 7 weeks of the season is insane

[Butterscup1679666578]

To answer Andy's question about Daniel's number, Aaron O'Neal was a redshirt Freshman at Mizzou who died before his redshirt freshman season. Since this would've been his senior year, one senior is wearing his number, 25, without a name each game this season. Tonight it was Daniel.

 

thanks, i was curious about that. it's probably a good thing that daniel won't wear it again though, he was pretty lousy tonight, as was the entire offense.

 

Given how superstitious Daniel is(the ESPN Mag article on him talks about it), I was almost surprised he didn't come out for the second half wearing number 10.

 

I wanted him to do that, but I knew he wouldn't be disrespectful like that and it could've been a PR nightmare.

[Flames24Rulz]

BYU and Utah are NOT better teams than Florida, Mizzou, Georgia and LSU, regardless of W-L records

 

BYU and Utah haven't lost a game. Those others have. That's what polls go by, not who's better than who.

 

which is why the BCS was invented, because the polls are horrible and wrong

 

No one's saying they're not. But as of October 11th, 2008, BYU and Utah deserve to be ranked higher than those teams.

 

they dont deserve to be ranked higher because theyre not better football teams. rankings are supposed to rank teams by if the two teams played the next day on the field, who would be better.

 

As evident by your Meph polls last year when you had a 3 loss Florida team over several other 1 loss teams that were more deserving. How did that work out for Florida last year?

 

Everything in college football (for the most part) is all speculative. You can say one team is better than another, but there's so few games that you really can't tell who would win a game one on one. I'm not saying the ranking process is necessarily fair, but that's just the way it is. An LSU team that lost 30 points to Florida should not be ranked ahead of an undefeated BYU and an undefeated Utah team. That just doesn't make any sense.

 

Down with the non-BCS schools!

[Mephistopheles]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

[TruffleShuffle]

BYU and Utah are NOT better teams than Florida, Mizzou, Georgia and LSU, regardless of W-L records

 

BYU and Utah haven't lost a game. Those others have. That's what polls go by, not who's better than who.

 

which is why the BCS was invented, because the polls are horrible and wrong

 

No one's saying they're not. But as of October 11th, 2008, BYU and Utah deserve to be ranked higher than those teams.

 

they dont deserve to be ranked higher because theyre not better football teams. rankings are supposed to rank teams by if the two teams played the next day on the field, who would be better.

 

yes but your opinion of who is going to win tomorrow is not necessarily what actually will happen if two teams play. see: your frequent wrongness in big ten-sec bowl games; boise st-oklahoma fiesta bowl.

[Mephistopheles]

As evident by your Meph polls last year when you had a 3 loss Florida team over several other 1 loss teams that were more deserving. How did that work out for Florida last year?

 

the outcome of games is probability based. im tired of that argument. you either get or you dont. its not very tough to understand.

 

and i never said LSU should be ahead of BYU, i had them fall out of the top ten.

Edited October 12, 2008 by Mephistopheles

[Flames24Rulz]

Bye National Championship.

Bye Heisman Trophy.

Bye BCS maybe?

Bye Big 12 Championship maybe?

 

Only positive from tonight: I was on the field tonight and Erin Andrews rubbed against my arm.

 

The atmosphere tonight was awesome too. Best I've ever seen at Faurot. Too bad we couldn't complete the comeback. I hate everything.

 

My Erin Andrews moment was better than yours. It's all good

[Butterscup1679666578]

Bye National Championship.

Bye Heisman Trophy.

Bye BCS maybe?

Bye Big 12 Championship maybe?

 

Only positive from tonight: I was on the field tonight and Erin Andrews rubbed against my arm.

 

The atmosphere tonight was awesome too. Best I've ever seen at Faurot. Too bad we couldn't complete the comeback. I hate everything.

 

My Erin Andrews moment was better than yours. It's all good

 

It's true, but considering I was "working," and so was she, I couldn't really be like "omg picture plz?"

[Flames24Rulz]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

 

Ah, I KNEW something was missing from the college football season.

 

Now with that post, the college football season is complete and I can enjoy the rest of the season in peace.

[TruffleShuffle]

btw, what will the point spread be in usc at washington st? washington st has lost their i-a games by an average of 40 points, and they lost to oregon st by 53 points today. that spread seriously might be over 50 points.

[Mephistopheles]

anyways im done with the whole wins/losses argument. you can disagree with me all you want. i dont care. i know im right, i couldnt care less if you didn't. ill just mind my own business.

[reds44]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

This is the greatest post ever. Wins and losses are now a bad stat. That is amazing.

[Guest]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

 

Ah, I KNEW something was missing from the college football season.

 

Now with that post, the college football season is complete and I can enjoy the rest of the season in peace.

 

Why is it a bad idea to judge stats in baseball when you have a small sample but when it's football, it's alright?

[TruffleShuffle]

As evident by your Meph polls last year when you had a 3 loss Florida team over several other 1 loss teams that were more deserving. How did that work out for Florida last year?

 

the outcome of games is probability based. im tired of that argument. you either get or you dont. its not very tough to understand.

 

yes that's very convenient for you, when you get a game wrong you can just say "well most days that wouldn't happen, it's just a fluke." and from what i have seen, you put too much stock into athleticism and raw talent and not enough into how well a team is actually playing like on the field. i don't care if every player on florida was an 8-star recruit who runs a sub-4.0 40, they just weren't a top 10 team last year. whatever "it" is - cohesion, chemistry, coaching, who knows - they didn't have "it."

[Mephistopheles]

no ones saying that the outcome of the game doesn't matter.

[Flames24Rulz]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

 

Ah, I KNEW something was missing from the college football season.

 

Now with that post, the college football season is complete and I can enjoy the rest of the season in peace.

 

Why is it a bad idea to judge stats in baseball when you have a small sample but when it's football, it's alright?

 

They're two completely different sports. In football, everything is a small sample size because there's only 12-13 games where in baseball there's 162. I understand the sample size in baseball thing, but the sample size in football is the entire regular season.

[reds44]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

 

Ah, I KNEW something was missing from the college football season.

 

Now with that post, the college football season is complete and I can enjoy the rest of the season in peace.

 

Why is it a bad idea to judge stats in baseball when you have a small sample but when it's football, it's alright?

Uh, wut? Nobody is saying X player is good or bad because they had two bad games. We are halfway thru the season, it's not a small sample size any longer. Ranking Eastern Michigan #1 if they start 1-0 would be bad, but having no loss Ok State ahead of 1 loss Florida, I have zero problem with.

[Guest]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

 

Ah, I KNEW something was missing from the college football season.

 

Now with that post, the college football season is complete and I can enjoy the rest of the season in peace.

 

Why is it a bad idea to judge stats in baseball when you have a small sample but when it's football, it's alright?

 

They're two completely different sports. In football, everything is a small sample size because there's only 12-13 games where in baseball there's 162. I understand the sample size in baseball thing, but the sample size in football is the entire regular season.

 

But how do you get a proper, clear idea based on W-L of such a small sample?

[reds44]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

 

Ah, I KNEW something was missing from the college football season.

 

Now with that post, the college football season is complete and I can enjoy the rest of the season in peace.

 

Why is it a bad idea to judge stats in baseball when you have a small sample but when it's football, it's alright?

 

They're two completely different sports. In football, everything is a small sample size because there's only 12-13 games where in baseball there's 162. I understand the sample size in baseball thing, but the sample size in football is the entire regular season.

 

But how do you get a proper, clear idea based on W-L of such a small sample?

Team A in a BCS conference has 0 zero losses.

Team B in a BCS conference has 1 loss.

 

Team A should be ranked ahead of team B. You can only control who you beat on your schedule. The Big 12 is better than the SEC anyways.

[Mephistopheles]

The real problem with wins and losses is that when two teams play each other and the game is decided late, why does one team get a positive and the other a negative. close games are decided by one or two plays. that's it. what we *should* take from a game like that is not that one team won and one lost, but that both teams played equally.