Shortstop II + Fixing the Cubs + The Future

[Skyballer]

Has anyone considered simply sending Fox down after DLee's suspension and recalling cedeno and then ride the hot hand at short, also send Moore down and recall Murt and ride the hot and healthy hand in right? Edited July 22, 2007 by Skyballer

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

You are wrong because you think Sosa can't control where he goes, at least to some extent.

 

I'm sure there's a sentence somewhere in there, but I can't find it.

 

There ya go. However, Sosa has no control. No NTC. The Rangers could trade him to the Devil Rays if they wanted to.

 

Exactly! Sosa doesn't have any control in this process. No more than Izturis had control over being traded to Pittsburgh or when Soriano was traded to Washington and told to change positions.

 

If anyone thinks that Texas won't make a trade without thinking twice about the player being traded, see Soriano deal. He had no control. Sosa doesn't either.

[Mephistopheles]

You are wrong because you think Sosa can't control where he goes, at least to some extent.

 

I'm sure there's a sentence somewhere in there, but I can't find it.

 

There ya go. However, Sosa has no control. No NTC. The Rangers could trade him to the Devil Rays if they wanted to.

Have you ever seen somebody traded to a place where he truly did not want to play?

 

Yes. Javier Vazquez. Alfonso Soriano

Edited July 22, 2007 by Mephistopheles

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

You are wrong because you think Sosa can't control where he goes, at least to some extent.

 

I'm sure there's a sentence somewhere in there, but I can't find it.

 

There ya go. However, Sosa has no control. No NTC. The Rangers could trade him to the Devil Rays if they wanted to.

Have you ever seen somebody traded to a place where he truly did not want to play?

 

Soriano to the Nationals, spring 2006.

[reds44]

You are wrong because you think Sosa can't control where he goes, at least to some extent.

 

I'm sure there's a sentence somewhere in there, but I can't find it.

 

There ya go. However, Sosa has no control. No NTC. The Rangers could trade him to the Devil Rays if they wanted to.

Have you ever seen somebody traded to a place where he truly did not want to play?

 

Soriano to the Nationals, spring 2006.

Soriano didn't want to play left, he didn't mind going to the Nationals.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

You are wrong because you think Sosa can't control where he goes, at least to some extent.

 

I'm sure there's a sentence somewhere in there, but I can't find it.

 

There ya go. However, Sosa has no control. No NTC. The Rangers could trade him to the Devil Rays if they wanted to.

Have you ever seen somebody traded to a place where he truly did not want to play?

 

Soriano to the Nationals, spring 2006.

Soriano didn't want to play left, he didn't mind going to the Nationals.

 

and I'm sure Sosa might not want to platoon, but wouldn't mind going to Chicago (considering his agent called the Cubs first when he was looking to comeback.)

 

Seems quite similar. Thanks for playing.

[Mephistopheles]

You are wrong because you think Sosa can't control where he goes, at least to some extent.

 

I'm sure there's a sentence somewhere in there, but I can't find it.

 

There ya go. However, Sosa has no control. No NTC. The Rangers could trade him to the Devil Rays if they wanted to.

Have you ever seen somebody traded to a place where he truly did not want to play?

 

Soriano to the Nationals, spring 2006.

 

 

Soriano didn't want to play left, he didn't mind going to the Nationals.

 

Okay, Javier Vazquez.

Edited July 22, 2007 by Mephistopheles

[RichHillIsABeast]

You are wrong because you think Sosa can't control where he goes, at least to some extent.

 

I'm sure there's a sentence somewhere in there, but I can't find it.

 

There ya go. However, Sosa has no control. No NTC. The Rangers could trade him to the Devil Rays if they wanted to.

Have you ever seen somebody traded to a place where he truly did not want to play?

 

Soriano to the Nationals, spring 2006.

Soriano didn't want to play left, he didn't mind going to the Nationals.

 

and I'm sure Sosa might not want to platoon, but wouldn't mind going to Chicago (considering his agent called the Cubs first when he was looking to comeback.)

 

Seems quite similar. Thanks for playing.

 

It's obvious that platooning and coming home to start are the same thing. Elementary my dear watson.

[reds44]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

 

Both of those trades happend in the offseason too, not in the middle of a pennant race where somebody could come in and cost a team a playoff run.

[Mephistopheles]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

.

 

The thing is, these guys were traded to teams they didn't want to play for -- but they had to play or it would cost them a lot of money. As you don't know, Vazquez used a clause every player has to demand a trade. He forced his way out because he didn't want to go there. Sosa can't do that.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

 

Both of those trades happend in the offseason too, not in the middle of a pennant race where somebody could come in and cost a team a playoff run.

 

And seriously, you and Vance need to stop acting like mods. You're not.

 

I doubt Sosa's arrival is going to cost this team anything. However, we're woeful against LHP. Despite all the flaws currently in Sosa's game, hitting against LHP isn't one of them.

 

It's not likely to happen because of Jim. Sosa, however, doesn't have a say...and I believe he wouldn't mind the trade at all, especially as his PT in Texas begins to diminish.

[Shavo]

None of these situations are comparable to Sosa. That being said, its not a stretch to believe Sosa wouldn't want to come back for the playoff chase. Just start him in RF against all lefties and enough righting to keep him happy, and bingo.

[reds44]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

.

 

The thing is, these guys were traded to teams they didn't want to play for -- but they had to play or it would cost them a lot of money. As you don't know, Vazquez used a clause every player has to demand a trade. He forced his way out because he didn't want to go there. Sosa can't do that.

If Sosa came out and said, "I won't play for the Cubs" then the deal wouldn't happen.

 

Sosa is making the league minimum on a one year deal. It wouldn't cost him alot of money, and he would still be a free agent at the end of the year.

[Skyballer]

I think sosa would come back, and he would be good against lefties, but just forget it and bring up Murt.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

 

Both of those trades happend in the offseason too, not in the middle of a pennant race where somebody could come in and cost a team a playoff run.

 

And seriously, you and Vance need to stop acting like mods. You're not.

 

I doubt Sosa's arrival is going to cost this team anything. However, we're woeful against LHP. Despite all the flaws currently in Sosa's game, hitting against LHP isn't one of them.

 

It's not likely to happen because of Jim. Sosa, however, doesn't have a say...and I believe he wouldn't mind the trade at all, especially as his PT in Texas begins to diminish.

 

No, it's just defense and all around offense that disqualifies Sosa from ever being a consideration for being on a playoff team.

 

I'm digging that .738 OPS. It looks like something we could nab from the AAA scrapheap.

[Mephistopheles]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

.

 

The thing is, these guys were traded to teams they didn't want to play for -- but they had to play or it would cost them a lot of money. As you don't know, Vazquez used a clause every player has to demand a trade. He forced his way out because he didn't want to go there. Sosa can't do that.

If Sosa came out and said, "I won't play for the Cubs" then the deal wouldn't happen.

 

Sosa is making the league minimum on a one year deal. It wouldn't cost him alot of money, and he would still be a free agent at the end of the year.

 

he could do that, but would he? not likely. thats all he can do.

[Skyballer]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

 

Both of those trades happend in the offseason too, not in the middle of a pennant race where somebody could come in and cost a team a playoff run.

 

And seriously, you and Vance need to stop acting like mods. You're not.

 

I doubt Sosa's arrival is going to cost this team anything. However, we're woeful against LHP. Despite all the flaws currently in Sosa's game, hitting against LHP isn't one of them.

 

It's not likely to happen because of Jim. Sosa, however, doesn't have a say...and I believe he wouldn't mind the trade at all, especially as his PT in Texas begins to diminish.

 

No, it's just defense and all around offense that disqualifies Sosa from ever being a consideration for being on a playoff team.

 

I'm digging that .738 OPS. It looks like something we could nab from the AAA scrapheap.

Key there was LHP

[reds44]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

.

 

The thing is, these guys were traded to teams they didn't want to play for -- but they had to play or it would cost them a lot of money. As you don't know, Vazquez used a clause every player has to demand a trade. He forced his way out because he didn't want to go there. Sosa can't do that.

If Sosa came out and said, "I won't play for the Cubs" then the deal wouldn't happen.

 

Sosa is making the league minimum on a one year deal. It wouldn't cost him alot of money, and he would still be a free agent at the end of the year.

 

he could do that, but would he? not likely. thats all he can do.

Oh he could do that?

 

I thought he didn't have a say in where he goes?

Edited July 22, 2007 by reds44

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

I'm digging that .738 OPS. It looks like something we could nab from the AAA scrapheap.

 

Once again, it's a 1014 OPS vs left-handers which is why you acquire him.

 

I'm digging that. That's mashing LHP. Of course, keep ignoring things that don't help your argument.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

 

Both of those trades happend in the offseason too, not in the middle of a pennant race where somebody could come in and cost a team a playoff run.

 

And seriously, you and Vance need to stop acting like mods. You're not.

 

I doubt Sosa's arrival is going to cost this team anything. However, we're woeful against LHP. Despite all the flaws currently in Sosa's game, hitting against LHP isn't one of them.

 

It's not likely to happen because of Jim. Sosa, however, doesn't have a say...and I believe he wouldn't mind the trade at all, especially as his PT in Texas begins to diminish.

 

No, it's just defense and all around offense that disqualifies Sosa from ever being a consideration for being on a playoff team.

 

I'm digging that .738 OPS. It looks like something we could nab from the AAA scrapheap.

Key there was LHP

 

Big whoop.

 

Matt Murton vs. LHP in AAA:

 

.328/.404/.563/.967 (128 AB)

[reds44]

 

I'm digging that .738 OPS. It looks like something we could nab from the AAA scrapheap.

 

Once again, it's a 1014 OPS vs left-handers which is why you acquire him.

 

I'm digging that. That's mashing LHP. Of course, keep ignoring things that don't help your argument.

He doesn't exactly have a large sample size vs. lefties.

[Skyballer]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

.

 

The thing is, these guys were traded to teams they didn't want to play for -- but they had to play or it would cost them a lot of money. As you don't know, Vazquez used a clause every player has to demand a trade. He forced his way out because he didn't want to go there. Sosa can't do that.

If Sosa came out and said, "I won't play for the Cubs" then the deal wouldn't happen.

 

Sosa is making the league minimum on a one year deal. It wouldn't cost him alot of money, and he would still be a free agent at the end of the year.

 

he could do that, but would he? not likely. thats all he can do.

Oh he could do that?

 

I thought he didn't have a say in where he goes?

He can't stop anything but he can say he doesn't want to be traded

[reds44]

Have you even read anything we've posted? We all admitted the only thing he could do was retire. He couldn't physically stop the trade. The argument was lost for you when you forgot or chose not to read that part of our argument.

He doesn't have to retire.

 

He could simply take 2 months off and become a free agent at the end of the year.

 

He can control where he does (or does not) go.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Furthermore, for a player who wants to play next year and likely will have to do so with a limited role, quitting to stop a trade is not a smart move.

 

Now, I know Sosa is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm fairly certain he's smart enough to know that.

 

If he's traded, whether he likes it or not, he'll put on the happy face for two months.

[Skyballer]

Wow reds, youre really getting out of hand here. Stop with the fluff. Make a point and stop ignoring the Vazquez point.

Yeah, Vazquez played a year, then got traded.

Soriano played a year, then refused to re-sign.

Neither team sniffed the playoffs.

 

That worked well.

 

Both of those trades happend in the offseason too, not in the middle of a pennant race where somebody could come in and cost a team a playoff run.

 

And seriously, you and Vance need to stop acting like mods. You're not.

 

I doubt Sosa's arrival is going to cost this team anything. However, we're woeful against LHP. Despite all the flaws currently in Sosa's game, hitting against LHP isn't one of them.

 

It's not likely to happen because of Jim. Sosa, however, doesn't have a say...and I believe he wouldn't mind the trade at all, especially as his PT in Texas begins to diminish.

 

No, it's just defense and all around offense that disqualifies Sosa from ever being a consideration for being on a playoff team.

 

I'm digging that .738 OPS. It looks like something we could nab from the AAA scrapheap.

Key there was LHP

 

Big whoop.

 

Matt Murton vs. LHP in AAA:

 

.328/.404/.563/.967 (128 AB)

Last i checked, that's good.