Would this deal work?

[Backtobanks]

Since the White Sox are rumored to be one of the interested teams in Jones, why don't we try a Marshall, Jones, plus a lower prospect for Buerhle? Without re-signing him, we would get 2 draft picks at the end of the year while solidifying the rotation for the rest of this year. It doesn't address the SS, C, or RF offensive problems, but I'm a little shaky with the inconsistency of Lilly, Hill, Marquis, and Marshall. Would the White Sox do it?

[E.J.]

The White Sox are sellers at this point, so I don't see them wanting to take on Jones.

[killthegoat06]

I don't think we trade Marshall plus more prospects for a rental. We need Buerhle to sign an extension in order to trade for him.

 

Remember pierre.

[98navigator]

The Sox aren't going to do anything, mid season, that will help the cause of the Cubs. No chance. If anything, they will look to trade Buehrle to a team we are chasing in the division or wild card.

[killthegoat06]

The Sox aren't going to do anything, mid season, that will help the cause of the Cubs. No chance. If anything, they will look to trade Buehrle to a team we are chasing in the division or wild card.

 

If we offer the best deal they'll bite. They aren't going to trade Buerhle for a worse combination of players just to spite us.

[Drew Doughty]

I don't think we trade Marshall plus more prospects for a rental. We need Buerhle to sign an extension in order to trade for him.

 

Remember pierre.

 

Buehrle: good left-handed starter going from AL -> NL

Pierre: Crappy baseball player.

 

the comparison is obvious.

[killthegoat06]

I don't think we trade Marshall plus more prospects for a rental. We need Buerhle to sign an extension in order to trade for him.

 

Remember pierre.

 

Buehrle: good left-handed starter going from AL -> NL

Pierre: Crappy baseball player.

 

the comparison is obvious.

 

My point was that we aren't (or shouldn't imo) trade Marshall and other prospects for a 1/2 year rental, especially when getting Buerhle doesn't guarantee that we will even be in the race. If he signs an extension with us, then do it. Otherwise, don't bother.

[98navigator]

The Sox aren't going to do anything, mid season, that will help the cause of the Cubs. No chance. If anything, they will look to trade Buehrle to a team we are chasing in the division or wild card.

 

If we offer the best deal they'll bite. They aren't going to trade Buerhle for a worse combination of players just to spite us.

 

Why would we want to trade for a rental who isn't that big of a difference maker? Also, there's a microscopic chance he'd sign with the Cubs (he's basically said that the Cubs are the last team he'd like to play for) so, we'd be giving away players with years to go before arbitration to our intracity rivals. That's Karchner for Garland part deux.

 

Besides, there are plenty of teams with higher ceiling prospects... The problem the Sox are facing now, and one of the reasons why they have sought to extend Buehrle, is teams aren't willing to part with ML ready and or top prospects for him (unless they are guaranteed to sign him longterm).

 

If anything, the Cubs need another offensive player. The Cubs pitching, while shaky over the last two days, is better than MIL's as a whole. The biggest difference in the teams is runs score (which is most likely linked to the difference in power numbers).

Edited July 1, 2007 by 98navigator

[Backtobanks]

The Sox aren't going to do anything, mid season, that will help the cause of the Cubs. No chance. If anything, they will look to trade Buehrle to a team we are chasing in the division or wild card.

 

If we offer the best deal they'll bite. They aren't going to trade Buerhle for a worse combination of players just to spite us.

 

I agree. The rumors that I've been hearing are that the Sox are asking for their two of their three best prospects, but will probably end up having to settle for a team's top prospect. Without knowing other team's situations, I would think that a good, young, major-league ready, left-handed pitcher along with a mid-level prospect, plus a platoon OF and a savings of a few million dollars should be a reasonably competitive offer.

[killthegoat06]

The Sox aren't going to do anything, mid season, that will help the cause of the Cubs. No chance. If anything, they will look to trade Buehrle to a team we are chasing in the division or wild card.

 

If we offer the best deal they'll bite. They aren't going to trade Buerhle for a worse combination of players just to spite us.

 

Why would we want to trade for a rental? He isn't that big of a difference maker. Also, there's a microscopic chance he'd sign with the Cubs (he's basically said that the Cubs are the last team he'd like to play for) so, we'd be giving away players with years to go before arbitration to our intracity rivals. That's Karchner for Garland part deux.

 

Besides, there are plenty of teams with higher ceiling prospects... The problem the Sox are facing now, and one of the reasons why they have sought to extend Buehrle, is teams aren't willing to part with ML ready and or top prospects for him (unless they are guaranteed to sign him longterm).

 

If you read my posts, you'd know that I don't think we should.

[Backtobanks]

I don't think we trade Marshall plus more prospects for a rental. We need Buerhle to sign an extension in order to trade for him.

 

Remember pierre.

 

Buehrle: good left-handed starter going from AL -> NL

Pierre: Crappy baseball player.

 

the comparison is obvious.

 

My point was that we aren't (or shouldn't imo) trade Marshall and other prospects for a 1/2 year rental, especially when getting Buerhle doesn't guarantee that we will even be in the race. If he signs an extension with us, then do it. Otherwise, don't bother.[/quote]

 

If he signs an extension with us, it would probably cost Hill and Pie instead of Marshall. I think Marshall is replaceable after this year, especially since he is so similar to Hill and Lilly.

[98navigator]

The Sox aren't going to do anything, mid season, that will help the cause of the Cubs. No chance. If anything, they will look to trade Buehrle to a team we are chasing in the division or wild card.

 

If we offer the best deal they'll bite. They aren't going to trade Buerhle for a worse combination of players just to spite us.

 

Why would we want to trade for a rental? He isn't that big of a difference maker. Also, there's a microscopic chance he'd sign with the Cubs (he's basically said that the Cubs are the last team he'd like to play for) so, we'd be giving away players with years to go before arbitration to our intracity rivals. That's Karchner for Garland part deux.

 

Besides, there are plenty of teams with higher ceiling prospects... The problem the Sox are facing now, and one of the reasons why they have sought to extend Buehrle, is teams aren't willing to part with ML ready and or top prospects for him (unless they are guaranteed to sign him longterm).

 

If you read my posts, you'd know that I don't think we should.

 

I read what you said in the other posts but I'm responding specifically to you saying that they'd bite if we offered the best package. They aren't going to try to help us and, because it's already public knowledge that he doesn't want to play for the Cubs, we would be potentially giving up a lot to get someone who isn't really going to put us over the top. Buehrle said, in a CSN interview, that he'd prefer not to play for the Cubs. He was trying to be diplomatic but he's a Sox player and a life long Cardinals fan...

 

Anyway, I contend that there are other teams with more attractive players to offer. Plus, Buehrle isn't going to help us because starting pitching isn't the biggest concern on the team.

[Backtobanks]

I disagree with the notion that Buerhle isn't a difference maker. I think Buerhle in the rotation rather than Marshall could net the Cubs 5-6 more wins in the second half. I repeat that I think Marshall is expendable after this season anyway because I can't see the Cubs continuing to pitch 3 similar lefties in the rotation next year. It doesn't solve the offensive problems, but I don't see any deal out there involving Marshall plus spare parts (Jones, Izturis, and Eyre) that would give us any help offensively either.

[98navigator]

I disagree with the notion that Buerhle isn't a difference maker. I think Buerhle in the rotation rather than Marshall could net the Cubs 5-6 more wins in the second half. I repeat that I think Marshall is expendable after this season anyway because I can't see the Cubs continuing to pitch 3 similar lefties in the rotation next year. It doesn't solve the offensive problems, but I don't see any deal out there involving Marshall plus spare parts (Jones, Izturis, and Eyre) that would give us any help offensively either.

 

Buehrle wouldn't be signed longterm by the Cubs so whether or not it helps next year is moot. Also, Buehrle isn't worth 6 more wins for a whole season much less the second half of this one.

 

Sean Marshall's WARP is 2.7 and Buehrle's is 5.1. That's 2.4 wins difference which isn't worth trading players to get.