Help with a trade?

[Chocolate Milk]

Was just offered a counter offer trade for:

 

I give:

 

Soriano

Carpenter

 

I get:

 

Giambi

B.J. Upton

Nathan

Zito

 

Should I do this? I am deficient in Saves and Steals. Here is my current roster.

 

C Michael Barrett

1B Nomar Garciaparra

2B Dan Uggla

3B Scott Rolen

SS Carlos Guillén

OF Barry Bonds

OF Alfonso Soriano

OF Jermaine Dye

Util Travis Hafner

BN Moisés Alou

BN Josh Hamilton

BN Ryan Theriot

BN Ray Durham

BN Akinori Iwamura

 

 

P Mariano Rivera

P Bob Wickman

P Joakim Soria

P John Maine

P Gil Meche

P Rich Hill

P Braden Looper

BN David Aardsma

BN Carlos Zambrano

BN Andy Pettitte

BN Jon Lester

DL Chris Carpenter

DL Josh Johnson

 

I am leaning towards yes.

 

Edit: 5x5 Roto, swap out average for OPS. Semi-Keeper (5 guys per year).

[Rob]

I'd say it depends on whether you feel that you're in position to compete this year. Soriano and Carp would be definate keepers for next year, and you don't have a whole lot of people worthy of that.

 

For this year though, the trade looks good. Giambi is an upgrade over Nomar, Upton is an upgrade over Uggla, and Nathan will slide in nicely to replace Bob Wickman now that he's hitting the DL. Zito's not a bad starter either. And I'm not sold on Carp coming back strong this season... so really it's a question of whether the downgrade from Soriano to Moises or Hamilton is worth all the upgrades elsewhere. It probably is.

[Chocolate Milk]

Upon further reflection, I'll probably pass. Sori and Carp were my first and third picks, and I'd be selling them at their lowest possible value. I do really need another close so I might to to get Nathan for Maine.

 

It's still early so I can always revisit this in a couple of weeks.

[nilodnayr]

Upon further reflection, I'll probably pass. Sori and Carp were my first and third picks, and I'd be selling them at their lowest possible value. I do really need another close so I might to to get Nathan for Maine.

 

It's still early so I can always revisit this in a couple of weeks.

 

If you can get Nathan for Maine DO IT

[Chocolate Milk]

Upon further reflection, I'll probably pass. Sori and Carp were my first and third picks, and I'd be selling them at their lowest possible value. I do really need another close so I might to to get Nathan for Maine.

 

It's still early so I can always revisit this in a couple of weeks.

 

If you can get Nathan for Maine DO IT

 

I offered. We'll see what happens. It would be a nice turnaround on an early season waver pickup.

[tkenm356]

Maybe I'm the a-hole, but I'd call you dumb for not doing that deal. Soriano is not doing well. Carp is still on the DL.

 

Meanwhile you'd be getting:

 

Giambi who is doing very well

 

Upton who is doing very well

 

Nathan who is doing very well

 

And Zito who is doing, for the most part, well over his last few starts

 

 

Am I the only one who thinks this is a no brainer?

[nilodnayr]

Maybe I'm the a-hole, but I'd call you dumb for not doing that deal. Soriano is not doing well. Carp is still on the DL.

 

Meanwhile you'd be getting:

 

Giambi who is doing very well

 

Upton who is doing very well

 

Nathan who is doing very well

 

And Zito who is doing, for the most part, well over his last few starts

 

 

Am I the only one who thinks this is a no brainer?

Yes.

 

At this point in the season you still have to stick with your pre-season rankings save injuries.

[Chocolate Milk]

Now that Carp is out for three months, I'm kind of kicking myself here.

[nilodnayr]

Now that Carp is out for three months, I'm kind of kicking myself here.

 

Yeah, that sucks, but theres nothing you can do. I think you did the right thing given the information that was available.

[Post Count Padder]

Now that Carp is out for three months, I'm kind of kicking myself here.

Hind sight is 20/20. That trade coulda gone either way. At the time it wasn't a bad move rejecting it.

[Chocolate Milk]

Dealing with the same guy. Same lineup essentially. I'm still in last for steals...

 

I get:

 

Chipper Jones

Jason Giambi

Eric Byrnes

 

I give:

 

Scott Rolen

Jermaine Dye

Josh Hamilton

 

Thoughts? I am leaning towards taking it as Giambi and Jones are major upgrades while Byrnes provides some needed steals (7 so far). I will defer to the collective wisdom here, though.

[nilodnayr]

Dealing with the same guy. Same lineup essentially. I'm still in last for steals...

 

I get:

 

Chipper Jones

Jason Giambi

Eric Byrnes

 

I give:

 

Scott Rolen

Jermaine Dye

Josh Hamilton

 

Thoughts? I am leaning towards taking it as Giambi and Jones are major upgrades while Byrnes provides some needed steals (7 so far). I will defer to the collective wisdom here, though.

 

Thats a tough one. While Chipper is going to hit for great average, Byrnes and Giambi are going to drive you crazy. I had Giambi last year and his BA is the reason I came in third, not second. If you can stomach the two guys bringing down your average then maybe. You're selling low on Dye and Rolen though. If steals is a concern, try to get away from these massive trades and target just one guy who will make a big impact. Byrnes is gonna do OK on steals, but probably not enough to make a material difference. You could just replace Uggla with Theriot in your lineup. If I were you, I'd try to sell high on Bonds and Hamilton and pick yourself up a really good pitcher and an average/steals OF such as Taveras, Victorino, Lofton, or Pierre. You've got enough power in other places to have one of them in your lineup.

[Chocolate Milk]

Dealing with the same guy. Same lineup essentially. I'm still in last for steals...

 

I get:

 

Chipper Jones

Jason Giambi

Eric Byrnes

 

I give:

 

Scott Rolen

Jermaine Dye

Josh Hamilton

 

Thoughts? I am leaning towards taking it as Giambi and Jones are major upgrades while Byrnes provides some needed steals (7 so far). I will defer to the collective wisdom here, though.

 

Thats a tough one. While Chipper is going to hit for great average, Byrnes and Giambi are going to drive you crazy. I had Giambi last year and his BA is the reason I came in third, not second. If you can stomach the two guys bringing down your average then maybe. You're selling low on Dye and Rolen though. If steals is a concern, try to get away from these massive trades and target just one guy who will make a big impact. Byrnes is gonna do OK on steals, but probably not enough to make a material difference. You could just replace Uggla with Theriot in your lineup. If I were you, I'd try to sell high on Bonds and Hamilton and pick yourself up a really good pitcher and an average/steals OF such as Taveras, Victorino, Lofton, or Pierre. You've got enough power in other places to have one of them in your lineup.

 

We don't have average in our league, we have OPS instead. That should benefit Giambi some. I have already replaced Uggla with Theriot so I agree with you there. I agree that Byrnes is fairly mediocre and basically a toss in. It's a tough call for sure. Thanks for the input.

[Chocolate Milk]

Should I counter offer swaping Matsui for Byrnes?

[nilodnayr]

Should I counter offer swaping Matsui for Byrnes?

 

I assume you mean Hideki...still really doesnt help your SB problem. Hideki is a better OF overall, but much less of a SB threat.

[nilodnayr]

Dealing with the same guy. Same lineup essentially. I'm still in last for steals...

 

I get:

 

Chipper Jones

Jason Giambi

Eric Byrnes

 

I give:

 

Scott Rolen

Jermaine Dye

Josh Hamilton

 

Thoughts? I am leaning towards taking it as Giambi and Jones are major upgrades while Byrnes provides some needed steals (7 so far). I will defer to the collective wisdom here, though.

 

Thats a tough one. While Chipper is going to hit for great average, Byrnes and Giambi are going to drive you crazy. I had Giambi last year and his BA is the reason I came in third, not second. If you can stomach the two guys bringing down your average then maybe. You're selling low on Dye and Rolen though. If steals is a concern, try to get away from these massive trades and target just one guy who will make a big impact. Byrnes is gonna do OK on steals, but probably not enough to make a material difference. You could just replace Uggla with Theriot in your lineup. If I were you, I'd try to sell high on Bonds and Hamilton and pick yourself up a really good pitcher and an average/steals OF such as Taveras, Victorino, Lofton, or Pierre. You've got enough power in other places to have one of them in your lineup.

 

We don't have average in our league, we have OPS instead. That should benefit Giambi some. I have already replaced Uggla with Theriot so I agree with you there. I agree that Byrnes is fairly mediocre and basically a toss in. It's a tough call for sure. Thanks for the input.

 

Ahh, well yeah that changes things for Giambi. Hes a huge upgrade over Nomar, and Chipper is an upgrade over Rolen, but you have to worry about injury. I guess it really depends on how you feel about Dye, is he going to be like 2005 or 2006. PECOTA says 2005, so it actually wouldnt be that big of a downgrade to Alou/Byrnes. The trade isn't going to really help your SB issue, but it should make your team better.

[Chocolate Milk]

Thanks for the input. I think I'm going to take it. It's a good move as I can upgrade in two positions while hopefully not losing too much in another.