Rafael Furcal

[CoolHandLuke]

In your face Furcal. By the way Balsa, Gob is so awesome. The Mexican chicken dance was one of my favorite moments during the show.

 

I loved when the whole family was doing their own interpretation of a chicken dance and michael asks if anyone has actually seen a chicken. Loved the show, thank god it replayed on G4 last year because I missed it the first time around.

[CoolHandLuke]

In your face Furcal. By the way Balsa, Gob is so awesome. The Mexican chicken dance was one of my favorite moments during the show.

 

I loved when the whole family was doing their own interpretation of a chicken dance and michael asks if anyone has actually seen a chicken. Loved the show, thank god it replayed on G4 last year because I missed it the first time around.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdbZRST2Byw

[seanimal]

Did the umpires rule interference on Furcal?

 

I seem to recall that they did not.

 

And Furcal didn't go looking for a collision. He was looking for the fastest route to the base, just like anyone should expect him to on a bang-bang play. Unfortunately, DLee happened to step into that route trying to flag down his teammate's lousy throw.

 

Considering the totality of circumstances, the obvious conclusion is that Furcal did nothing wrong.

 

So perhaps you should kwitcherbichin and realize that, sadly, sometimes there's nobody to blame life's misfortunes on.

 

The only things I suggested was that perhaps Furcal could have avoided a collision and that an apology or a sign of remorse for being involved in an incident whereby a peer of his was injured to the point the he could not do his job was outside of his low character. That's all. Perhaps instead of me kwittingmybichin you should consider engaging in a civil discussion that doesn't involve insulting other posters simply for displaying an opinion other than the one you hold.

[radarluv1]

looks like furcal is only out a week or so.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=2960

 

thanks for the clip, luke! :lol:

[davearm]

Did the umpires rule interference on Furcal?

 

I seem to recall that they did not.

 

And Furcal didn't go looking for a collision. He was looking for the fastest route to the base, just like anyone should expect him to on a bang-bang play. Unfortunately, DLee happened to step into that route trying to flag down his teammate's lousy throw.

 

Considering the totality of circumstances, the obvious conclusion is that Furcal did nothing wrong.

 

So perhaps you should kwitcherbichin and realize that, sadly, sometimes there's nobody to blame life's misfortunes on.

 

The only things I suggested was that perhaps Furcal could have avoided a collision and that an apology or a sign of remorse for being involved in an incident whereby a peer of his was injured to the point the he could not do his job was outside of his low character. That's all. Perhaps instead of me kwittingmybichin you should consider engaging in a civil discussion that doesn't involve insulting other posters simply for displaying an opinion other than the one you hold.

Here's a link to the video.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060420&content_id=1409827&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

Have a look and then see if you still want to continue with this civil discussion, in which you're advocating that Furcal could have (used to be should have) avoided this collision.

 

Pay particular attention to the fact that Furcal's path through the base is clear until the very last second, when Lee suddenly jumps in front of him, right on top of the base itself, trying to snag the errant throw from Eyre.

 

Furcal had no reason to anticipate a collision, let alone have time to avoid it. And even if he had time, why should he, since he would've had to miss the base to avoid Lee?

[Abe Frohman]

First off, I don't blame Eyre at all. He busted his arse off the mound and hustled, trying his best to make a miraculous play. Yes, it was a lousy pitch from the glove, but he made a great effort at a tough play.

 

Furcal was definately out of the baserunners box. He did so many things wrong (running on the infield, looking at the play the whole way down, and not watching where he was) that it is hard to not blame him. Yet you still can't.

 

That play was bang-bang, but it is part of baseball. It was simply a bad break - no pun intended. I wonder if Furcal should have been called out?

[seanimal]

Here's a link to the video.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060420&content_id=1409827&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

Have a look and then see if you still want to continue with this civil discussion, in which you're advocating that Furcal could have (used to be should have) avoided this collision.

 

Pay particular attention to the fact that Furcal's path through the base is clear until the very last second, when Lee suddenly jumps in front of him, right on top of the base itself, trying to snag the errant throw from Eyre.

 

Furcal had no reason to anticipate a collision, let alone have time to avoid it. And even if he had time, why should he, since he would've had to miss the base to avoid Lee?

 

Seen the video, was watching the game. Was Furcal simply taking the shortest and quickest path to the base? Yes. Do runners do this often with little consequence? Yes. Do things like this happen in baseball with little onus to place the blame on any of the players involved? Certainly.

 

That being said, Furcal is completely on the inside of the basepath, where he shouldn't be. He COULD have and SHOULD have avoided at least a major collision simply by running just to the right of where he was. Instead he ran well inside the basepath, which when combined with the defensive play ended up in him running into Lee. Stuff happens.

 

I don't necessarily believe that Furcal would have had to miss the base completely in order to avoid a full-on collision with Lee, however, I can see what you mean. It's in the runner's best interest to tag the base with either foot in the very middle for a multitude of reasons, Jason Kendall's injury stands out in my mind.

 

In the end, it's neither here nor there, as it is over and done with. But I stand by my assertion that Furcal was too far inside of the basepath and an apology, whether warranted or not, is beyond the character of him.

[davearm]

Lots has been made about how Furcal was inside the basepath on his way to the bag.

 

In the end, that's totally irrelevant. He didn't interfere with the flip from Eyre, and the collision occured *at* the base, not in front of it.

 

I fail to see what difference it would've made if Furcal was a step outside the line versus a step inside the line in the handful of strides leading up to the collision at the bag. The end result wouldn't have changed. Either way, Furcal would've arrived at the same place at the same time, with the same speed, and running on basically the same path through the base.

 

DLee jumped in Furcal's way as Furcal touched the base. Period.

 

You can spin it any way you like, but at the end of the day, DLee was the one who created the collision by jumping into the basepath to try and grab Eyre's throw.

[seanimal]

Lots has been made about how Furcal was inside the basepath on his way to the bag.

 

In the end, that's totally irrelevant. He didn't interfere with the flip from Eyre, and the collision occured *at* the base, not in front of it.

 

I fail to see what difference it would've made if Furcal was a step outside the line versus a step inside the line in the handful of strides leading up to the collision at the bag. The end result wouldn't have changed. Either way, Furcal would've arrived at the same place at the same time, with the same speed, and running on basically the same path through the base.

 

DLee jumped in Furcal's way as Furcal touched the base. Period.

 

You can spin it any way you like, but at the end of the day, DLee was the one who created the collision by jumping into the basepath to try and grab Eyre's throw.

 

I'm spinning? Look where Furcal's right foot touches the bag. On the inside, if you don't feel like watching again. To say that if Furcal would've arrived at the bag at the same time, same speed, and 'basically the same path' is disregarding the fundamental truth that a straight line is the shortest, therefore the quickest, possible distance between two points. Was Lee asking for it by stepping in front of the baserunner's path? Certainly. Was a collision likely because of this? Yes. Would the collision have been different had Furcal taken a different path, therefore altering the time and place at which he would have crossed paths with Lee? Most definitely.

[Blizzau]

Lots has been made about how Furcal was inside the basepath on his way to the bag.

 

In the end, that's totally irrelevant. He didn't interfere with the flip from Eyre, and the collision occured *at* the base, not in front of it.

 

I fail to see what difference it would've made if Furcal was a step outside the line versus a step inside the line in the handful of strides leading up to the collision at the bag. The end result wouldn't have changed. Either way, Furcal would've arrived at the same place at the same time, with the same speed, and running on basically the same path through the base.

 

DLee jumped in Furcal's way as Furcal touched the base. Period.

 

You can spin it any way you like, but at the end of the day, DLee was the one who created the collision by jumping into the basepath to try and grab Eyre's throw.

 

I'm spinning? Look where Furcal's right foot touches the bag. On the inside, if you don't feel like watching again. To say that if Furcal would've arrived at the bag at the same time, same speed, and 'basically the same path' is disregarding the fundamental truth that a straight line is the shortest, therefore the quickest, possible distance between two points. Was Lee asking for it by stepping in front of the baserunner's path? Certainly. Was a collision likely because of this? Yes. Would the collision have been different had Furcal taken a different path, therefore altering the time and place at which he would have crossed paths with Lee? Most definitely.

 

Is it annoying when people make their point by asking numerous rhetorical questions and including their responses? Maybe... :wink:

 

Just nitpicking... My old boss used to use this approach when talking to our department at staff meetings - only she would go on for at least 20 minutes in that fashion. It drove me nuts!

[davearm]

Lots has been made about how Furcal was inside the basepath on his way to the bag.

 

In the end, that's totally irrelevant. He didn't interfere with the flip from Eyre, and the collision occured *at* the base, not in front of it.

 

I fail to see what difference it would've made if Furcal was a step outside the line versus a step inside the line in the handful of strides leading up to the collision at the bag. The end result wouldn't have changed. Either way, Furcal would've arrived at the same place at the same time, with the same speed, and running on basically the same path through the base.

 

DLee jumped in Furcal's way as Furcal touched the base. Period.

 

You can spin it any way you like, but at the end of the day, DLee was the one who created the collision by jumping into the basepath to try and grab Eyre's throw.

 

I'm spinning? Look where Furcal's right foot touches the bag. On the inside, if you don't feel like watching again. To say that if Furcal would've arrived at the bag at the same time, same speed, and 'basically the same path' is disregarding the fundamental truth that a straight line is the shortest, therefore the quickest, possible distance between two points. Was Lee asking for it by stepping in front of the baserunner's path? Certainly. Was a collision likely because of this? Yes. Would the collision have been different had Furcal taken a different path, therefore altering the time and place at which he would have crossed paths with Lee? Most definitely.

Would the collision have been different had Furcal taken a different path? Perhaps. It's certainly possible that DLee could've wound up with a concussion and a broken neck instead of a fractured wrist. Or he could've been uninjured altogether.

 

Regardless, it was DLee that put DLee in harm's way. Not Rafael Furcal. So let's just quit with all this Lee-as-the-victim and Furcal-as-the-villain drama.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Why is this so difficult to understand? It's just common courtesy to apologize after an accident. It has nothing to do with who is at fault.

[Abe Frohman]

How does anyone know if Furcal did or didn't apologize, have remorse, buy D Lee a steak dinner, etc.? I just don't get it.

 

I don't think it matters where Furcal was running unless the catcher tried to make a throw and it hit Furcal while he was inside the baseline. Furcal was running on the grass, true (you can get a little better footing on the grass as compared to the dirt), and he cut back towards foul territory as he closed in on the bag. It really doesn't matter, because Eyre's throw brought DLee into the basepath.

 

You can't really blame anyone, because all three guys were trying to do their jobs. There is a saying - "speed kills." This is a perfect example of that.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah lee's injury last year was the reason the cubs didn't win the world series

[Jehrico]

You can't be serious.

 

Go check out a baseball diamond sometime. What you'll notice is that the bases are on the fair side of the baseline.

 

Therefore, if you intend to actually touch first base, by the time you reach it you must necessarily cross over from the runner's lane to the inside of the base path.

 

Furcal did nothing wrong whatsoever. He's under no obligation to make an effort to avoid a collision.

 

And why the heck do you care if the guy apologized or not?

 

Go watch the replay. He was so far inside that he was running on the grass. I'm not here to say Furcal is a bad man, or he deserves something bad to happen toh im. But he DID do something wrong. But so did Eyre in that matter.

I've seen the replay.

 

And if Furcal did something wrong, as you suggest, then why wasn't he called out for interference?

Yeah, because MLB umpires never miss any calls. :roll:

[davearm]

I've seen the replay.

 

And if Furcal did something wrong, as you suggest, then why wasn't he called out for interference?

Yeah, because MLB umpires never miss any calls. :roll:

They didn't miss this call, so I'm not clear on what point you're trying to make.

[Chris]

Furcal says he'll be ready for opening day. My fantasy team is pleased.

[Jehrico]

I've seen the replay.

 

And if Furcal did something wrong, as you suggest, then why wasn't he called out for interference?

Yeah, because MLB umpires never miss any calls. :roll:

They didn't miss this call, so I'm not clear on what point you're trying to make.

You were defending your position by saying "If he did something wrong, then why wasn't he called out for interference?" My point was pretty easy and clear. That was an ignorant argument to use to make that point. Just because an MLB ump didn't call him out, doesn't mean squat. MLB umps miss calls all of the time. I've yet to see a single game called with no errors. That should have been pretty obvious.

[Soul]

yeah lee's injury last year was the reason the cubs didn't win the world series

 

DAMN STRAIGHT!

[davearm]

I've seen the replay.

 

And if Furcal did something wrong, as you suggest, then why wasn't he called out for interference?

Yeah, because MLB umpires never miss any calls. :roll:

They didn't miss this call, so I'm not clear on what point you're trying to make.

You were defending your position by saying "If he did something wrong, then why wasn't he called out for interference?" My point was pretty easy and clear. That was an ignorant argument to use to make that point. Just because an MLB ump didn't call him out, doesn't mean squat. MLB umps miss calls all of the time. I've yet to see a single game called with no errors. That should have been pretty obvious.

The umps didn't miss *this* call.

 

Therefore I see no reason for you to point out that umpires sometimes make mistakes. That statement is equal parts irrelevant and obvious.

 

Now if you want to make the case that Furcal did in fact commit interference on the play in question, well, good luck with that argument.

[Garwilly]

I've seen the replay.

 

And if Furcal did something wrong, as you suggest, then why wasn't he called out for interference?

Yeah, because MLB umpires never miss any calls. :roll:

They didn't miss this call, so I'm not clear on what point you're trying to make.

You were defending your position by saying "If he did something wrong, then why wasn't he called out for interference?" My point was pretty easy and clear. That was an ignorant argument to use to make that point. Just because an MLB ump didn't call him out, doesn't mean squat. MLB umps miss calls all of the time. I've yet to see a single game called with no errors. That should have been pretty obvious.

The umps didn't miss *this* call.

 

Therefore I see no reason for you to point out that umpires sometimes make mistakes. That statement is equal parts irrelevant and obvious.

 

Now if you want to make the case that Furcal did in fact commit interference on the play in question, well, good luck with that argument.

 

You're missing the point.

 

He was not using the "umpires make mistakes" line to support his own argument. It was used to show your latest point was invalid.

 

You said, paraphrasing, "If the umps didn't make the call, the interference did not occur." That logic is simply untrue.