Anybody just hear Will Carroll on 670?

[mg420]

dont know if this has been brought up before but i heard a caller on the score compare prior to jason bere. 2 good years and then out. i certainly hope prior doesnt turn into the cubs version of bere.

[C.C.]

dont know if this has been brought up before but i heard a caller on the score compare prior to jason bere. 2 good years and then out. i certainly hope prior doesnt turn into the cubs version of bere.

 

That caller is a idiot. You can't compare Bere to Prior. Bere never won over 12 games and never came close to having a year like Prior did in 2003.

[Magnetic Curses]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

Velocity is a problem. he's a power pitcher throwing in the 80's how is that not a problem. Wade Miller Jr.

 

no, it's not. i remember the same flags going up last year when he came back into the big league rotation. he was throwing in the high 80's and people were freaking out. after a couple starts he was back in the low to mid 90's and people were still freaking out because he couldn't throw strikes.

 

you're ready to anoint him wade miller jr. after 3 1/3 innings of work in cactus league action, talk about overreacting.

No he wasn't. Although he would touch the 90's his velocity was mostly in the 80's. I don't see how his velocity will go from the 87s to the low 92's so easily. People who are holding out hope for Prior of 2003 to come back will unfortunately be disappointed.

 

what are you talking about? he was throwing his four-seamer around 94-95 last season.

 

he wasn't throwing the four-seamer a lot because he couldn't locate his 2 seamer, which he throws anywhere from 88-92. without an effective location on the 2, he shouldn't even think about throwing the straight 4.

 

you're looking at velocity and not looking at what he was throwing. different pitches are thrown at different speeds.

[YearofDaCubs]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

Velocity is a problem. he's a power pitcher throwing in the 80's how is that not a problem. Wade Miller Jr.

 

no, it's not. i remember the same flags going up last year when he came back into the big league rotation. he was throwing in the high 80's and people were freaking out. after a couple starts he was back in the low to mid 90's and people were still freaking out because he couldn't throw strikes.

 

you're ready to anoint him wade miller jr. after 3 1/3 innings of work in cactus league action, talk about overreacting.

No he wasn't. Although he would touch the 90's his velocity was mostly in the 80's. I don't see how his velocity will go from the 87s to the low 92's so easily. People who are holding out hope for Prior of 2003 to come back will unfortunately be disappointed.

 

what are you talking about? he was throwing his four-seamer around 94-95 last season.

 

he wasn't throwing the four-seamer a lot because he couldn't locate his 2 seamer, which he throws anywhere from 88-92. without an effective location on the 2, he shouldn't even think about throwing the straight 4.

 

you're looking at velocity and not looking at what he was throwing. different pitches are thrown at different speeds.

That's not how I remember it...

[NCCubFan]

Bere never won over 12 games and never came close to having a year like Prior did in 2003.

Incorrect. He was 12-2 in 1994. Since that was the strike-shortened year, it would definitely have to be considered comparable. He certainly would have won more games had it been a full season.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Bere never won over 12 games and never came close to having a year like Prior did in 2003.

Incorrect. He was 12-2 in 1994. Since that was the strike-shortened year, it would definitely have to be considered comparable. He certainly would have won more games had it been a full season.

 

He had a 1.4+ WHIP and an ERA+ of "only" 122. Prior's 1.1 WHIP and 175 ERA+ blow him out of the water.

[98navigator]

dont know if this has been brought up before but i heard a caller on the score compare prior to jason bere. 2 good years and then out. i certainly hope prior doesnt turn into the cubs version of bere.

 

That caller is a idiot. You can't compare Bere to Prior. Bere never won over 12 games and never came close to having a year like Prior did in 2003.

 

That caller was a Sox fan... he went on to ask a Sox related question. Many of the people that called were Sox fans wanting to cast dispersions upon Mark Prior. In addition, there were plenty of: "he's done," "he used steroids," "he was a one year wonder" :o, and "he's a headcase..."

 

Great radio. :evil:

[Guest]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

I disagree. More velocity gives pitchers more margin for error. If we want Prior to return to his previous level of performance, he's going to have to regain that speed. There are very, very few pitchers who can dominate like he did without better than average velocity. There just aren't many Greg Maddux pitchers out there. And even he combined better than average velocity with pinpoint control and great movement when he was at his peak. Since he lost those mph, he's become an innings eater instead of a great pitcher.

 

we don't know if he's lost velocity or not. he hasn't thrown to live hitters in a very long time and it's still very early in the spring.

 

when april 1st hits, we'll know if he's lost velocity or not.

I never said anything about that. You made the statement that velocity is not the problem. That implies that if he never got the velocity back, he'd be fine. I disagree with that sentiment wholeheartedly.

 

that makes no sense, and is actually the opposite of what i'm trying to say.

 

i'm assuming that he WILL get his velocity back (because it's not the problem), but that if he can't locate his pitches effectively, he'll suffer greatly. so, you're agreeing with what i was trying to say.

hmm...I guess I have a reading comprehension issue, because I don't get that from your previous posts at all.

 

Okay, in that case, we're in agreement. Assuming Prior regains the lost velocity, then the command and location of his pitches would be the only thing preventing him from regaining past glories.

[C.C.]

Bere never won over 12 games and never came close to having a year like Prior did in 2003.

Incorrect. He was 12-2 in 1994. Since that was the strike-shortened year, it would definitely have to be considered comparable. He certainly would have won more games had it been a full season.

 

He had a 1.4+ WHIP and an ERA+ of "only" 122. Prior's 1.1 WHIP and 175 ERA+ blow him out of the water.

 

He was 12-2 with a 3.81 ERA. Prior ERA's was more then 1 point lower in 2003. C'mon you can't compare the two.

[C.C.]

dont know if this has been brought up before but i heard a caller on the score compare prior to jason bere. 2 good years and then out. i certainly hope prior doesnt turn into the cubs version of bere.

 

That caller is a idiot. You can't compare Bere to Prior. Bere never won over 12 games and never came close to having a year like Prior did in 2003.

 

That caller was a Sox fan... he went on to ask a Sox related question. Many of the people that called were Sox fans wanting to cast dispersions upon Mark Prior. In addition, there were plenty of: "he's done," "he used steroids," "he was a one year wonder" :o, and "he's a headcase..."

 

Great radio. :evil:

 

Gee, big surprise there.

[Magnetic Curses]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

I disagree. More velocity gives pitchers more margin for error. If we want Prior to return to his previous level of performance, he's going to have to regain that speed. There are very, very few pitchers who can dominate like he did without better than average velocity. There just aren't many Greg Maddux pitchers out there. And even he combined better than average velocity with pinpoint control and great movement when he was at his peak. Since he lost those mph, he's become an innings eater instead of a great pitcher.

 

we don't know if he's lost velocity or not. he hasn't thrown to live hitters in a very long time and it's still very early in the spring.

 

when april 1st hits, we'll know if he's lost velocity or not.

I never said anything about that. You made the statement that velocity is not the problem. That implies that if he never got the velocity back, he'd be fine. I disagree with that sentiment wholeheartedly.

 

that makes no sense, and is actually the opposite of what i'm trying to say.

 

i'm assuming that he WILL get his velocity back (because it's not the problem), but that if he can't locate his pitches effectively, he'll suffer greatly. so, you're agreeing with what i was trying to say.

hmm...I guess I have a reading comprehension issue, because I don't get that from your previous posts at all.

 

Okay, in that case, we're in agreement. Assuming Prior regains the lost velocity, then the command and location of his pitches would be the only thing preventing him from regaining past glories.

 

i'm assuming that his velocity will be back up, as it was last year, but i'm also assuming that his location will be as bad as last year.

[YearofDaCubs]

I went back to the Game threads and it seem that Prior was able to hit 91-93 with his fastballs last year, though his last game of the year when injured there was mention his velocity dropped. Let's also not forget that Prior was shut down because of a shoulder injury so what he was last year might no even be possible. His control last year was terrible even after a couple of starts. Things aren't looking so good for Prior.

 

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[RedIvyCub]

He was on and they were talking about Prior but the only thing I caught was at the end where Will says Prior can still be an effective pitcher even without his velocity.

 

As a fan, I should care what this guy thinks for what reason? Because he runs a baseball web site? I think not.

[cheapseats]

He was on and they were talking about Prior but the only thing I caught was at the end where Will says Prior can still be an effective pitcher even without his velocity.

 

As a fan, I should care what this guy thinks for what reason? Because he runs a baseball web site? I think not.

 

Because he's widely recognized as the most knowledgeable and reliable reporter on baseball injuries.