What Happens to Hill if Everyone Is Healthy?

[CubsWin]

i never said the cubs hate him or are out to get him. nothing like that at all. someone said that hendry has a "thing" for hill, and i said i didn't think he did. that's all i've said about it. my original contention was that if everybody was healthy, hill could get pushed out of the rotation.

Not exactly true...

 

i wouldn't be shocked if hill somehow doesn't make the rotation...wouldn't surprise me in the least. if z, lilly, marquis, prior and miller are all healthy (probably not real likely), i think that's your rotation.

 

the cubs have shown a desire to go with 'proven' guys time and time again, and i see no reason why they wouldn't do it here. plus, no matter how much marquis sucks, there's 20 million reasons not to bump him to the pen. hill starts in AAA (or is traded for a jay gibbons type turd) if all those guys are healthy.

second of all, his refusal to put him in the rotation last year while rusch was throwing scored batting practice tells me that he doesn't think the highest of hill.

In those two quotes, you are saying that the Cubs would trade Hill for a turd like OFer and that Hendry doesn't really like Hill.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

i never said the cubs hate him or are out to get him. nothing like that at all. someone said that hendry has a "thing" for hill, and i said i didn't think he did. that's all i've said about it. my original contention was that if everybody was healthy, hill could get pushed out of the rotation.

Not exactly true...

 

i wouldn't be shocked if hill somehow doesn't make the rotation...wouldn't surprise me in the least. if z, lilly, marquis, prior and miller are all healthy (probably not real likely), i think that's your rotation.

 

the cubs have shown a desire to go with 'proven' guys time and time again, and i see no reason why they wouldn't do it here. plus, no matter how much marquis sucks, there's 20 million reasons not to bump him to the pen. hill starts in AAA (or is traded for a jay gibbons type turd) if all those guys are healthy.

second of all, his refusal to put him in the rotation last year while rusch was throwing scored batting practice tells me that he doesn't think the highest of hill.

In those two quotes, you are saying that the Cubs would trade Hill for a turd like OFer and that Hendry doesn't really like Hill.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but what point were you trying to make by quoting statements that were in no way contradictory and claiming they were?

[abuck1220]

Perhaps you missed it, but I remember an article about the work they were doing with Hill down at AAA. Hill failed pretty miserably in his first stint up with the Cubs last season, certainly worse than what Rusch was expected to do at the time. Remember, Rusch hadn't sucked that way the previous two seasons, so the expectation was that even if he struggled, he wouldn't struggle all year, and he would likely be better than what Hill did his first time up.

 

When Rusch continued to suck and when Hill accomplished what his pitching coach wanted him to accomplish, I think it was spotting the fastball with consistency or something like that, then he was brought up. It is a perfectly logical time line.

 

When you know the facts and have a fair view of what was reasonable to expect Rusch to do, what Hendry did makes perfect sense.

Here are the facts of the matter. Rusch started the season in the rotation along with Marshall because Hill was not inspiring a lot of confidence in spring training and Rusch was coming off of two pretty solid years of service for the Cubs. Rusch was terrible to start the season going 1-4, 8.46 in 5 April starts. Hill was doing great in AAA so he was called up and replaced Rusch in the rotation on May 4th. He went 0-4 with a 9.31 ERA in 4 starts in May while Rusch was moved to the pen where he settles down a bit. He still gets hit, giving up 16 safties in 14 innings but he strikes out 17 while walking only 6 and has an ERA of 4.91 for the month in 7 relief appearances. Rusch is tried three more times in the rotation in June and sucks. He spends the rest of the season in the bullpen except for one spot start due to injury before basically being shut down for the rest of the year. Hill is brought back up about a month later presumably because he was still working on overcoming the things that had him fail so miserably in May. The rest is history.

 

There was an article somewhere about what Hill was working on with his pitching coach while in the minors which I referenced in the quote from the other thread. I'm not certain if this is the same one I remember reading, but this one from Cubs.com is written by Hill himself and talks a lot about him working on attacking hitters, staying aggressive and the key to his recent success being his ability to spot his fastball with consistency. We all wondered what it was that had him succeed so greatly in AAA but not translate that over to the bigs. It sounds like, according to Hill, those were the reasons.

 

fine. but none of that indicates that hill is hendry's pet or that he favors him or that he has a "thing" for him.

But it does successfully disprove your whole "Hendry refused to bring up Hill and favored Rusch over Hill" thing.

 

As far as Hendry liking Hill enough to not want to trade him for just anybody, you don't have to look far.

ChicagoSprots.com[/url]"]The Rockies have had some talks with the Cubs about Jennings but want Rich Hill, whom scouts believe has the same skill set as a young Zito. He's an untouchable.

 

says chicagosports.com.

[abuck1220]

i never said the cubs hate him or are out to get him. nothing like that at all. someone said that hendry has a "thing" for hill, and i said i didn't think he did. that's all i've said about it. my original contention was that if everybody was healthy, hill could get pushed out of the rotation.

Not exactly true...

 

i wouldn't be shocked if hill somehow doesn't make the rotation...wouldn't surprise me in the least. if z, lilly, marquis, prior and miller are all healthy (probably not real likely), i think that's your rotation.

 

the cubs have shown a desire to go with 'proven' guys time and time again, and i see no reason why they wouldn't do it here. plus, no matter how much marquis sucks, there's 20 million reasons not to bump him to the pen. hill starts in AAA (or is traded for a jay gibbons type turd) if all those guys are healthy.

second of all, his refusal to put him in the rotation last year while rusch was throwing scored batting practice tells me that he doesn't think the highest of hill.

In those two quotes, you are saying that the Cubs would trade Hill for a turd like OFer and that Hendry doesn't really like Hill.

 

that doesn't really prove any point, but ok...

[CubsWin]

i never said the cubs hate him or are out to get him. nothing like that at all. someone said that hendry has a "thing" for hill, and i said i didn't think he did. that's all i've said about it. my original contention was that if everybody was healthy, hill could get pushed out of the rotation.

Not exactly true...

 

i wouldn't be shocked if hill somehow doesn't make the rotation...wouldn't surprise me in the least. if z, lilly, marquis, prior and miller are all healthy (probably not real likely), i think that's your rotation.

 

the cubs have shown a desire to go with 'proven' guys time and time again, and i see no reason why they wouldn't do it here. plus, no matter how much marquis sucks, there's 20 million reasons not to bump him to the pen. hill starts in AAA (or is traded for a jay gibbons type turd) if all those guys are healthy.

second of all, his refusal to put him in the rotation last year while rusch was throwing scored batting practice tells me that he doesn't think the highest of hill.

In those two quotes, you are saying that the Cubs would trade Hill for a turd like OFer and that Hendry doesn't really like Hill.

 

that doesn't really prove any point, but ok...

It doesn't? You denied saying anything like that the Cubs hated Rich Hill. But in the quotes above you say that they would trade him for a turd and that Hendry liked Rusch better than Hill. If you don't see it, that's fine with me.

[Jehrico]

this is one of my pet peeves on this board.

 

JIM HENDRY NEVER SAID HE WOULD NOT TRADE RICH HILL STRAIGHT UP FOR ADAM DUNN.

 

this was a statement made by bruce miles, i believe, to demonstrate to everyone how highly hendry valued hill in 2005. it was never a quote directly from hendry.

Crimeny...get off of the soap box. Bruce Miles has enough credibility that if he reports someone said something, they probably did.

 

soap box? excuse me? perhaps you need to take your time while reading posts a little better, because bruce miles himself posted that hendry never made such a quote. that's what i'm trying to tell you. he used adam dunn as an example to show how highly hendry valued hill. nothing more. quit trying to start a fight with me.

Whose trying to start a fight? You're the one who went bold and all caps over one of your "pet peeves." A simple statement along the lines of "Hendry never said that, it was an anecdote from Bruce" would have been more than sufficient. As far as reading posts, I can read fine, thank you. However, you can't do searches on this board if your memory is a little hazy. Either way, it doesn't change the argument that you railroaded because you were "peeved." The argument was Hendry's seemingly lack of perceived value in Hill. Maybe he didn't say it directly, but someone reliable with access to the top of the organization there gave an anecdote that would indicate Hendry holds him fairly high.