College Basketball 2006-2007

[illiniguy]

It's a testament to Sampson that a team with so much more talent than Illinois loses to them once, and nearly loses to them again.

 

Well, if Sampson is a bad coach, then Davis must have been worse than Dusty-because IU played much worse than this with a more talented squad last year.

 

That may well be. It doesn't make Sampson any better, though.

 

I guess I don't see the huge talent on this IU squad-D.J. is a great player, Wilmont is great at times, Calloway and Bassett are good but erratic, and everybody else are really role players. The talent level certainly doesn't suggest a 17-6 record to me.

 

Agreed. There is 1 future NBA player on IU right now, and he will never be a great NBA player. Sampson has them overachieving or achieving near their peak level this year. I don't see this huge talent advantage you guys might see.

 

There are three talented player on the Illinois squad. Pruitt (who is good, but not an NBA prospect), Randle (who will never realize his enormous potential), and Smith (who is still not right after his ankle injury). The rest range from average to awful.

 

carter's good, brock could be something, but frazier is absolutely awful. DMAC will be playing the point next season. it should have been ej, but oh well.

 

i wouldn't be surpised if the starting backcourt is dmac and watkins next year.

Gordon isn't a point guard.

[SeldomSeen]

Just horrible offense down the stretch. Chester Frazier can't play under any sort of pressure. DJ White's a punk.

Why?

 

I don't know that he's a punk, but he sure looks like Bubba. When his playing days are over, I'll bet he takes up shrimping.

Well, as long as there's a good reason...

[Bruno7481]

Just horrible offense down the stretch. Chester Frazier can't play under any sort of pressure. DJ White's a punk.

 

Why is DJ a punk?

[illiniguy]

Yeah but our best player is Warren Carter. At some point during the last 4 minutes he should have gotten at least one shot. Just one.

 

And there lies the big problem. Warren Carter is our best player. Going back two years ago, no way, no way I would've thought that would ever be the case. Even though he passed the ball to an open McBride, I would've loved to see him take the ball to the hole. For crying out loud, he caught the ball in the lane against two shorter guys. I guess that goes to Weber's love of the perimeter game.

Then quit whiffing on Sherron Collins, Eric Gordon, Julian Wright, Patrick Beverley, Brandon Rush's of the world. Bruce has brought a lot of this on himself.

[Magnetic Curses]

It's a testament to Sampson that a team with so much more talent than Illinois loses to them once, and nearly loses to them again.

 

Well, if Sampson is a bad coach, then Davis must have been worse than Dusty-because IU played much worse than this with a more talented squad last year.

 

That may well be. It doesn't make Sampson any better, though.

 

I guess I don't see the huge talent on this IU squad-D.J. is a great player, Wilmont is great at times, Calloway and Bassett are good but erratic, and everybody else are really role players. The talent level certainly doesn't suggest a 17-6 record to me.

 

Agreed. There is 1 future NBA player on IU right now, and he will never be a great NBA player. Sampson has them overachieving or achieving near their peak level this year. I don't see this huge talent advantage you guys might see.

 

There are three talented player on the Illinois squad. Pruitt (who is good, but not an NBA prospect), Randle (who will never realize his enormous potential), and Smith (who is still not right after his ankle injury). The rest range from average to awful.

 

carter's good, brock could be something, but frazier is absolutely awful. DMAC will be playing the point next season. it should have been ej, but oh well.

 

i wouldn't be surpised if the starting backcourt is dmac and watkins next year.

Gordon isn't a point guard.

 

no kidding, but he would have been the best option there. anyway, the offense isn't geared towards one guy handling the ball all of the time.

[illiniguy]

It's a testament to Sampson that a team with so much more talent than Illinois loses to them once, and nearly loses to them again.

 

Well, if Sampson is a bad coach, then Davis must have been worse than Dusty-because IU played much worse than this with a more talented squad last year.

 

That may well be. It doesn't make Sampson any better, though.

 

I guess I don't see the huge talent on this IU squad-D.J. is a great player, Wilmont is great at times, Calloway and Bassett are good but erratic, and everybody else are really role players. The talent level certainly doesn't suggest a 17-6 record to me.

 

Agreed. There is 1 future NBA player on IU right now, and he will never be a great NBA player. Sampson has them overachieving or achieving near their peak level this year. I don't see this huge talent advantage you guys might see.

 

There are three talented player on the Illinois squad. Pruitt (who is good, but not an NBA prospect), Randle (who will never realize his enormous potential), and Smith (who is still not right after his ankle injury). The rest range from average to awful.

 

carter's good, brock could be something, but frazier is absolutely awful. DMAC will be playing the point next season. it should have been ej, but oh well.

 

i wouldn't be surpised if the starting backcourt is dmac and watkins next year.

Gordon isn't a point guard.

 

no kidding, but he would have been the best option there. anyway, the offense isn't geared towards one guy handling the ball all of the time.

DMAC and EJ should have been our backcourt. We could have had so many good pgs over the last few years but we misssed on all of them.

[dalgreen]

You can't rely on big men to win games for you at the end of the games. You need jump shooters towards the end of the game, and Illinois doesn't have any reliable shooters to do that.

 

Yes, you can rely on big men to win it down the stretch. That is, if you have big men who play like big men.

 

Pruitt should've never had the ball in that final sequence.

 

That's my point --- we don't have a big man who knows how to play like a big man.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yeah but our best player is Warren Carter. At some point during the last 4 minutes he should have gotten at least one shot. Just one.

 

And there lies the big problem. Warren Carter is our best player. Going back two years ago, no way, no way I would've thought that would ever be the case. Even though he passed the ball to an open McBride, I would've loved to see him take the ball to the hole. For crying out loud, he caught the ball in the lane against two shorter guys. I guess that goes to Weber's love of the perimeter game.

Then quit whiffing on Sherron Collins, Eric Gordon, Julian Wright, Patrick Beverley, Brandon Rush's of the world. Bruce has brought a lot of this on himself.

 

i always thought that the campus and town were the reasons that weber couldn't recruit. heck, self could barely get anyone to come to champaign, but after zook snowed a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys to come to town, i'm starting to think the hog farms and lack of anything to do aren't the problem.

[illiniguy]

You can't rely on big men to win games for you at the end of the games. You need jump shooters towards the end of the game, and Illinois doesn't have any reliable shooters to do that.

 

Yes, you can rely on big men to win it down the stretch. That is, if you have big men who play like big men.

 

Pruitt should've never had the ball in that final sequence.

 

That's my point --- we don't have a big man who knows how to play like a big man.

Marcus Arnold played pretty well today. But, I agree with what you are saying.

[Magnetic Curses]

DMAC and EJ should have been our backcourt. We could have had so many good pgs over the last few years but we misssed on all of them.

 

well, i guarantee that guenther isn't going to let the school slip into perrenial mediocrity again. if bruce can't get the players, bruce won't be the coach.

[illiniguy]

Yeah but our best player is Warren Carter. At some point during the last 4 minutes he should have gotten at least one shot. Just one.

 

And there lies the big problem. Warren Carter is our best player. Going back two years ago, no way, no way I would've thought that would ever be the case. Even though he passed the ball to an open McBride, I would've loved to see him take the ball to the hole. For crying out loud, he caught the ball in the lane against two shorter guys. I guess that goes to Weber's love of the perimeter game.

Then quit whiffing on Sherron Collins, Eric Gordon, Julian Wright, Patrick Beverley, Brandon Rush's of the world. Bruce has brought a lot of this on himself.

 

i always thought that the campus and town were the reasons that weber couldn't recruit. heck, self could barely get anyone to come to champaign, but after zook snowed a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys to come to town, i'm starting to think the hog farms and lack of anything to do aren't the problem.

Dee Brown was a McDonalds All American, Deron Williams was more thought of than DMAC. Charlie V was an EJ. Self was doing just fine recruiting here. I think that Weber big timed a lot of kids when we were doing so well and now the whole CPL thinks he is a turd.

[illiniguy]

DMAC and EJ should have been our backcourt. We could have had so many good pgs over the last few years but we misssed on all of them.

 

well, i guarantee that guenther isn't going to let the school slip into perrenial mediocrity again. if bruce can't get the players, bruce won't be the coach.

Ok tell me that again in two months when Liggins and Lewis Jackosn are committed to Iowa.

[dalgreen]

Yeah but our best player is Warren Carter. At some point during the last 4 minutes he should have gotten at least one shot. Just one.

 

And there lies the big problem. Warren Carter is our best player. Going back two years ago, no way, no way I would've thought that would ever be the case. Even though he passed the ball to an open McBride, I would've loved to see him take the ball to the hole. For crying out loud, he caught the ball in the lane against two shorter guys. I guess that goes to Weber's love of the perimeter game.

Then quit whiffing on Sherron Collins, Eric Gordon, Julian Wright, Patrick Beverley, Brandon Rush's of the world. Bruce has brought a lot of this on himself.

 

i always thought that the campus and town were the reasons that weber couldn't recruit. heck, self could barely get anyone to come to champaign, but after zook snowed a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys to come to town, i'm starting to think the hog farms and lack of anything to do aren't the problem.

 

I disagree with that. Self, Krueger and before that Henson all recruited well. The difference is Weber hasn't been able to get the top in-state kids like the previous coaches.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yeah but our best player is Warren Carter. At some point during the last 4 minutes he should have gotten at least one shot. Just one.

 

And there lies the big problem. Warren Carter is our best player. Going back two years ago, no way, no way I would've thought that would ever be the case. Even though he passed the ball to an open McBride, I would've loved to see him take the ball to the hole. For crying out loud, he caught the ball in the lane against two shorter guys. I guess that goes to Weber's love of the perimeter game.

Then quit whiffing on Sherron Collins, Eric Gordon, Julian Wright, Patrick Beverley, Brandon Rush's of the world. Bruce has brought a lot of this on himself.

 

i always thought that the campus and town were the reasons that weber couldn't recruit. heck, self could barely get anyone to come to champaign, but after zook snowed a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys to come to town, i'm starting to think the hog farms and lack of anything to do aren't the problem.

Dee Brown was a McDonalds All American, Deron Williams was more thought of than DMAC. Charlie V was an EJ. Self was doing just fine recruiting here. I think that Weber big timed a lot of kids when we were doing so well and now the whole CPL thinks he is a turd.

 

dee, for some reason, really took to self, i'll give him that. deron was in the same class as DMAC, definitely not worthy of what self is doing now at a bonafide big time program. i get the feeling that CV wasn't coming, self or not.

[illiniguy]

Yeah but our best player is Warren Carter. At some point during the last 4 minutes he should have gotten at least one shot. Just one.

 

And there lies the big problem. Warren Carter is our best player. Going back two years ago, no way, no way I would've thought that would ever be the case. Even though he passed the ball to an open McBride, I would've loved to see him take the ball to the hole. For crying out loud, he caught the ball in the lane against two shorter guys. I guess that goes to Weber's love of the perimeter game.

Then quit whiffing on Sherron Collins, Eric Gordon, Julian Wright, Patrick Beverley, Brandon Rush's of the world. Bruce has brought a lot of this on himself.

 

i always thought that the campus and town were the reasons that weber couldn't recruit. heck, self could barely get anyone to come to champaign, but after zook snowed a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys to come to town, i'm starting to think the hog farms and lack of anything to do aren't the problem.

 

I disagree with that. Self, Krueger and before that Henson all recruited well. The difference is Weber hasn't been able to get the top in-state kids like the previous coaches.

He has also missed the next tier guys.

 

I would love to have the pg from Marquette or Patrick Beverley, or how about Tony Freeman, or how about Justin Dentmon, or the point from Gonzaga?

[Magnetic Curses]

Yeah but our best player is Warren Carter. At some point during the last 4 minutes he should have gotten at least one shot. Just one.

 

And there lies the big problem. Warren Carter is our best player. Going back two years ago, no way, no way I would've thought that would ever be the case. Even though he passed the ball to an open McBride, I would've loved to see him take the ball to the hole. For crying out loud, he caught the ball in the lane against two shorter guys. I guess that goes to Weber's love of the perimeter game.

Then quit whiffing on Sherron Collins, Eric Gordon, Julian Wright, Patrick Beverley, Brandon Rush's of the world. Bruce has brought a lot of this on himself.

 

i always thought that the campus and town were the reasons that weber couldn't recruit. heck, self could barely get anyone to come to champaign, but after zook snowed a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys to come to town, i'm starting to think the hog farms and lack of anything to do aren't the problem.

 

I disagree with that. Self, Krueger and before that Henson all recruited well. The difference is Weber hasn't been able to get the top in-state kids like the previous coaches.

 

Kruger lost chicago. henson could recruit a bit, but missed on a lot of blue chippers flowing steadily out of chicago during the 80's and early 90's. self did okay, put together a great team, but as far as rankings go, they weren't top of the line.

[Magnetic Curses]

DMAC and EJ should have been our backcourt. We could have had so many good pgs over the last few years but we misssed on all of them.

 

well, i guarantee that guenther isn't going to let the school slip into perrenial mediocrity again. if bruce can't get the players, bruce won't be the coach.

Ok tell me that again in two months when Liggins and Lewis Jackosn are committed to Iowa.

 

if weber loses lewjack, he's done, period.

[illiniguy]

Yeah but our best player is Warren Carter. At some point during the last 4 minutes he should have gotten at least one shot. Just one.

 

And there lies the big problem. Warren Carter is our best player. Going back two years ago, no way, no way I would've thought that would ever be the case. Even though he passed the ball to an open McBride, I would've loved to see him take the ball to the hole. For crying out loud, he caught the ball in the lane against two shorter guys. I guess that goes to Weber's love of the perimeter game.

Then quit whiffing on Sherron Collins, Eric Gordon, Julian Wright, Patrick Beverley, Brandon Rush's of the world. Bruce has brought a lot of this on himself.

 

i always thought that the campus and town were the reasons that weber couldn't recruit. heck, self could barely get anyone to come to champaign, but after zook snowed a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys to come to town, i'm starting to think the hog farms and lack of anything to do aren't the problem.

 

I disagree with that. Self, Krueger and before that Henson all recruited well. The difference is Weber hasn't been able to get the top in-state kids like the previous coaches.

 

Kruger lost chicago. henson could recruit a bit, but missed on a lot of blue chippers flowing steadily out of chicago during the 80's and early 90's. self did okay, put together a great team, but as far as rankings go, they weren't top of the line.

They were all, sans Luther ranked above what we have now. All of them.

[illiniguy]

DMAC and EJ should have been our backcourt. We could have had so many good pgs over the last few years but we misssed on all of them.

 

well, i guarantee that guenther isn't going to let the school slip into perrenial mediocrity again. if bruce can't get the players, bruce won't be the coach.

Ok tell me that again in two months when Liggins and Lewis Jackosn are committed to Iowa.

 

if weber loses lewjack, he's done, period.

He is going to. If he wasn't he would have already been ours.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yeah but our best player is Warren Carter. At some point during the last 4 minutes he should have gotten at least one shot. Just one.

 

And there lies the big problem. Warren Carter is our best player. Going back two years ago, no way, no way I would've thought that would ever be the case. Even though he passed the ball to an open McBride, I would've loved to see him take the ball to the hole. For crying out loud, he caught the ball in the lane against two shorter guys. I guess that goes to Weber's love of the perimeter game.

Then quit whiffing on Sherron Collins, Eric Gordon, Julian Wright, Patrick Beverley, Brandon Rush's of the world. Bruce has brought a lot of this on himself.

 

i always thought that the campus and town were the reasons that weber couldn't recruit. heck, self could barely get anyone to come to champaign, but after zook snowed a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys to come to town, i'm starting to think the hog farms and lack of anything to do aren't the problem.

 

I disagree with that. Self, Krueger and before that Henson all recruited well. The difference is Weber hasn't been able to get the top in-state kids like the previous coaches.

 

Kruger lost chicago. henson could recruit a bit, but missed on a lot of blue chippers flowing steadily out of chicago during the 80's and early 90's. self did okay, put together a great team, but as far as rankings go, they weren't top of the line.

They were all, sans Luther ranked above what we have now. All of them.

 

i'll give you that. nobody has done as terribly as weber has done.

 

dang it, why couldn't we have hired matta when we had the chance?

[Magnetic Curses]

DMAC and EJ should have been our backcourt. We could have had so many good pgs over the last few years but we misssed on all of them.

 

well, i guarantee that guenther isn't going to let the school slip into perrenial mediocrity again. if bruce can't get the players, bruce won't be the coach.

Ok tell me that again in two months when Liggins and Lewis Jackosn are committed to Iowa.

 

if weber loses lewjack, he's done, period.

He is going to. If he wasn't he would have already been ours.

 

i'd rather have verdell jones, though.

[illiniguy]

Yeah but our best player is Warren Carter. At some point during the last 4 minutes he should have gotten at least one shot. Just one.

 

And there lies the big problem. Warren Carter is our best player. Going back two years ago, no way, no way I would've thought that would ever be the case. Even though he passed the ball to an open McBride, I would've loved to see him take the ball to the hole. For crying out loud, he caught the ball in the lane against two shorter guys. I guess that goes to Weber's love of the perimeter game.

Then quit whiffing on Sherron Collins, Eric Gordon, Julian Wright, Patrick Beverley, Brandon Rush's of the world. Bruce has brought a lot of this on himself.

 

i always thought that the campus and town were the reasons that weber couldn't recruit. heck, self could barely get anyone to come to champaign, but after zook snowed a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys to come to town, i'm starting to think the hog farms and lack of anything to do aren't the problem.

 

I disagree with that. Self, Krueger and before that Henson all recruited well. The difference is Weber hasn't been able to get the top in-state kids like the previous coaches.

 

Kruger lost chicago. henson could recruit a bit, but missed on a lot of blue chippers flowing steadily out of chicago during the 80's and early 90's. self did okay, put together a great team, but as far as rankings go, they weren't top of the line.

They were all, sans Luther ranked above what we have now. All of them.

 

i'll give you that. nobody has done as terribly as weber has done.

 

dang it, why couldn't we have hired matta when we had the chance?

Next year with Matta coaching

Collins, Sherron

Rose, Derrek

Gordon, Eric

Wright, Julian

Pruitt, Shawn

 

good call RG. We don't what that young up and comer who might spurn us for a better offer. Nevermind he is from Illinois.

Oh and he is also doing this badly on the back of a national championship game run.

Edited February 10, 2007 by illiniguy

[dalgreen]

 

Kruger lost chicago. henson could recruit a bit, but missed on a lot of blue chippers flowing steadily out of chicago during the 80's and early 90's. self did okay, put together a great team, but as far as rankings go, they weren't top of the line.

 

Henson didn't lose a lot of Chicago kids until the whole Deon Thomas fiasco. Kruger came in during the time after Henson when Chicago coaches were "protesting" Jimmy Collins not getting the job and weren't selling Illinois to their players. And, remember, if Self stayed at Illinois Julian Wright and Sherron Collins are playing for the orange and blue.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

Kruger lost chicago. henson could recruit a bit, but missed on a lot of blue chippers flowing steadily out of chicago during the 80's and early 90's. self did okay, put together a great team, but as far as rankings go, they weren't top of the line.

 

Henson didn't lose a lot of Chicago kids until the whole Deon Thomas fiasco. Kruger came in during the time after Henson when Chicago coaches were "protesting" Jimmy Collins not getting the job and weren't selling Illinois to their players. And, remember, if Self stayed at Illinois Julian Wright and Sherron Collins are playing for the orange and blue.

 

that's hard to say.

[dalgreen]

 

Kruger lost chicago. henson could recruit a bit, but missed on a lot of blue chippers flowing steadily out of chicago during the 80's and early 90's. self did okay, put together a great team, but as far as rankings go, they weren't top of the line.

 

Henson didn't lose a lot of Chicago kids until the whole Deon Thomas fiasco. Kruger came in during the time after Henson when Chicago coaches were "protesting" Jimmy Collins not getting the job and weren't selling Illinois to their players. And, remember, if Self stayed at Illinois Julian Wright and Sherron Collins are playing for the orange and blue.

 

that's hard to say.

 

I don't understand because Wright verbally committed to Illinois and then when Self left he chose KU. Collins' last two choices came down to UI and KU. My guess is that Self sold him more than Weber did.