7/31 Diamondbacks (Webb) @ Cubs (Prior); 7:05 CT, CSN Chicag

[illiniguy]

so depressinng to watch prior like this :x

 

 

He has absolutely no confidence anymore in his stuff. He lost that in 2003 after Game Six of the NLCS.

 

He's never been the same.

 

Or Dusty pitched his arm off. Take your pick.

a little bit of both i think.

[Rusch33]

so depressinng to watch prior like this :x

 

 

He has absolutely no confidence anymore in his stuff. He lost that in 2003 after Game Six of the NLCS.

 

He's never been the same.

 

Or Dusty pitched his arm off. Take your pick.

 

 

Could be both, but come on, not all of Prior's injuries are Dusty's fault. After 2 years of it, it's no longer Dusty's doing. For instance, this year.

 

This becomes Mark's doing. He has absolutely no confidence; why not send him down to Triple A and see if he can be dominant down there and get some confidence back?

[Guancous]

 

Jacques Jones doesn't qualify as a major league hitter?

 

He's having the 14th best season of all RF's in baseball. That's in the top half, but just barely. I'd be happy with his production if he were moved to CF (the position he played in the minors before moving to RF because of Torii Hunter), but the Cubs don't think outside the box.

 

Jacque has outperformed my expectations. The 14th best RF is still an average RF. That does qualify as a major league hitter though. I should have said an above average hitter.

[Jon]

 

Jacques Jones doesn't qualify as a major league hitter?

 

He's having the 14th best season of all RF's in baseball. That's in the top half, but just barely. I'd be happy with his production if he were moved to CF (the position he played in the minors before moving to RF because of Torii Hunter), but the Cubs don't think outside the box.

 

Jacque has outperformed my expectations. The 14th best RF is still an average RF. That does qualify as a major league hitter though. I should have said an above average hitter.

He's slugging near a career high and has only been this high once in his entire career. I'd imagine it'll continue to drop.

[cheapseats]

 

 

Could be both, but come on, not all of Prior's injuries are Dusty's fault. After 2 years of it, it's no longer Dusty's doing. For instance, this year.

 

This becomes Mark's doing. He has absolutely no confidence; why not send him down to Triple A and see if he can be dominant down there and get some confidence back?

 

The ball that was hit off his elbow wasn't Dusty's fault.

 

But I really wonder how you think overwork is tied to injuries. I used to think that fatigue itself was a problem, and all an overworked starter needed was rest. The research shows that's not true; fatigue causes a pitcher to change his mechanics, and throwing one pitch with bad mechanics can do irreperable damage.

 

Anyway, it's entirely possible that Prior's injury history means he'll never pitch the same way again, and no amount of rest or passing time will make a difference. We can't arbitrarily say that he should be fine since it's been a few years.

[Rusch33]

 

 

Could be both, but come on, not all of Prior's injuries are Dusty's fault. After 2 years of it, it's no longer Dusty's doing. For instance, this year.

 

This becomes Mark's doing. He has absolutely no confidence; why not send him down to Triple A and see if he can be dominant down there and get some confidence back?

 

The ball that was hit off his elbow wasn't Dusty's fault.

 

But I really wonder how you think overwork is tied to injuries. I used to think that fatigue itself was a problem, and all an overworked starter needed was rest. The research shows that's not true; fatigue causes a pitcher to change his mechanics, and throwing one pitch with bad mechanics can do irreperable damage.

 

Anyway, it's entirely possible that Prior's injury history means he'll never pitch the same way again, and no amount of rest or passing time will make a difference. We can't arbitrarily say that he should be fine since it's been a few years.

 

 

I definitely agree with that. I also think it's still a psychological thing also. Kerry and him are in the same boat; wondering when they are going to get hurt next so they can expect to be on the DL.

[illiniguy]

 

 

Could be both, but come on, not all of Prior's injuries are Dusty's fault. After 2 years of it, it's no longer Dusty's doing. For instance, this year.

 

This becomes Mark's doing. He has absolutely no confidence; why not send him down to Triple A and see if he can be dominant down there and get some confidence back?

 

The ball that was hit off his elbow wasn't Dusty's fault.

 

But I really wonder how you think overwork is tied to injuries. I used to think that fatigue itself was a problem, and all an overworked starter needed was rest. The research shows that's not true; fatigue causes a pitcher to change his mechanics, and throwing one pitch with bad mechanics can do irreperable damage.

 

Anyway, it's entirely possible that Prior's injury history means he'll never pitch the same way again, and no amount of rest or passing time will make a difference. We can't arbitrarily say that he should be fine since it's been a few years.

 

 

I definitely agree with that. I also think it's still a psychological thing also. Kerry and him are in the same boat; wondering when they are going to get hurt next so they can expect to be on the DL.

If the same happens to Z I think I may stop watching baseball.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

 

Jacques Jones doesn't qualify as a major league hitter?

 

He's having the 14th best season of all RF's in baseball. That's in the top half, but just barely. I'd be happy with his production if he were moved to CF (the position he played in the minors before moving to RF because of Torii Hunter), but the Cubs don't think outside the box.

 

Jacque has outperformed my expectations. The 14th best RF is still an average RF. That does qualify as a major league hitter though. I should have said an above average hitter.

 

I'm trying to figure this out. If a player is not above average offensively then he is not a "major league hitter"?

 

Someone who would categorized as "average" would not be a major league hitter?

[Laura]

And the thing is, he really is proud himself. You can hear it in his voice. It's like, in his mind, he's gone out and acquired a 26 year old version of Alex Rodriguez.

 

So sad, so true.

[Butterscup1679666578]

"I used to run base like Juan Pierre"

 

 

Annnnd he was safe. thanks fatty.

[illiniguy]

nice call bruce.

[illiniguy]

nice call bruce.

[illiniguy]

nice call bruce.

[cheapseats]

 

 

I definitely agree with that. I also think it's still a psychological thing also.

 

It's certainly possible. There are plenty of players who have struggled due to psychological issues. Chuck Knoblauch is the first one that I think of. Rick Ankiel is another. Steve Sax. Maybe Latroy Hawkins, although I sometimes wonder if we just expected him to be better than he really is.

[cheapseats]

nice call bruce.

 

definitely blew it.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

 

 

I definitely agree with that. I also think it's still a psychological thing also.

 

It's certainly possible. There are plenty of players who have struggled due to psychological issues. Chuck Knoblauch is the first one that I think of. Rick Ankiel is another. Steve Sax. Maybe Latroy Hawkins, although I sometimes wonder if we just expected him to be better than he really is.

 

Was it Mackey Sasser who couldn't throw the ball back to the pitcher?

[cheapseats]

 

 

I definitely agree with that. I also think it's still a psychological thing also.

 

It's certainly possible. There are plenty of players who have struggled due to psychological issues. Chuck Knoblauch is the first one that I think of. Rick Ankiel is another. Steve Sax. Maybe Latroy Hawkins, although I sometimes wonder if we just expected him to be better than he really is.

 

Was it Mackey Sasser who couldn't throw the ball back to the pitcher?

 

pretty sure that's correct.

[Butterscup1679666578]

welcome to the game, Fat Glendon

[cheapseats]

stupid Dbacks are wasting Byrnes' power by batting him leadoff. they wish they had Pierre.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Well, if it's any consolation Glendon won't throw many pitches tonight and he'll be all rested for his start on Thursday. :lol:

[cheapseats]

Looks like Rusch won't start Thursday, so I guess we can be thankful for that.

[EricG]

Thom and Gracie are ripping on Hendry for signing Rusch and Neifi.

[Guancous]

 

Jacques Jones doesn't qualify as a major league hitter?

 

He's having the 14th best season of all RF's in baseball. That's in the top half, but just barely. I'd be happy with his production if he were moved to CF (the position he played in the minors before moving to RF because of Torii Hunter), but the Cubs don't think outside the box.

 

Jacque has outperformed my expectations. The 14th best RF is still an average RF. That does qualify as a major league hitter though. I should have said an above average hitter.

 

I'm trying to figure this out. If a player is not above average offensively then he is not a "major league hitter"?

 

Someone who would categorized as "average" would not be a major league hitter?

 

This is what I mean: Most MLB hitters are obviously major league hitters. This excluded pinch runners and defensive replacements. Most hitters will not completely embarrass themselves at the plate or they wouldn't be there. I'm saying that the Cubs lineup is stacked with below average players. I'm not shocking anyone here. Jacque has been a pleasant surprise because he is average. I hope his mediocrity continues. I welcome it. He's a great #3 outfielder. He's not such a great #1.

[Rusch33]

so it looks like a name change is in order for me.

[illiniguy]

what do you think it would take to get carlos gonzalez from the dbacks