Stolen base points

[Tim]

Should we make a change to the value of SB's for next year?

[Vinestal]

Now this is a topic that I have an opinion about. I think speed is extremely under valued in this league, much more so than in other leagues. Its a bit dissapointing to me. Just my opinion I think SB should be worth as much as a hit. A single and a SB is just as good as a double, if a double is worth 2 points a single and a SB should be scored the same. I think thats pretty sound logic.

[Mark_R]

Now this is a topic that I have an opinion about. I think speed is extremely under valued in this league, much more so than in other leagues. Its a bit dissapointing to me. Just my opinion I think SB should be worth as much as a hit. A single and a SB is just as good as a double, if a double is worth 2 points a single and a SB should be scored the same. I think thats pretty sound logic.

 

I think steals should actually be 1.5 since they are more rare than doubles, and the scarcity of them should be treated as such. Triples, OTOH, should not be altered.

[Vinestal]

Now this is a topic that I have an opinion about. I think speed is extremely under valued in this league, much more so than in other leagues. Its a bit dissapointing to me. Just my opinion I think SB should be worth as much as a hit. A single and a SB is just as good as a double, if a double is worth 2 points a single and a SB should be scored the same. I think thats pretty sound logic.

 

I think steals should actually be 1.5 since they are more rare than doubles, and the scarcity of them should be treated as such. Triples, OTOH, should not be altered.

 

I wouldn't argue against that either (being worth 1.5). SB being worth .25 point is not good, and just doesnt make much sense.

[stitchface]

not too many runners score from first on a single and stolen base.

[Vinestal]

not too many runners score from first on a single and stolen base.

 

Wow thats a pretty bold statement. Why are they any more or less likely to score than someone that hits a double? Not many runners score from a single and a stolen base? Maybe because not many can steal a base, making it more valueble. Alot more players can hit a double than can steal bases. Stealing bases takes more skill and talent I think (just personal opinion). Id like to see some statisticle proof of your statement but then again it would probably be skewed since there are few players that can steal bases and so many that can hit a double.

[Vinestal]

not too many runners score from first on a single and stolen base.

 

Actually this statement is kinda wierd since if you hit a single and steal a base you would no longer be on first you'd be on second, so you wouldnt be scoring from first youd be scoring from second.

[stitchface]

not too many runners score from first on a single and stolen base.

 

Actually this statement is kinda wierd since if you hit a single and steal a base you would no longer be on first you'd be on second, so you wouldnt be scoring from first youd be scoring from second.

 

you're reading it wrong. a double can score a runner from first whereas a single and stolen base generally won't.

[Vinestal]

not too many runners score from first on a single and stolen base.

 

Actually this statement is kinda wierd since if you hit a single and steal a base you would no longer be on first you'd be on second, so you wouldnt be scoring from first youd be scoring from second.

 

you're reading it wrong. a double can score a runner from first whereas a single and stolen base generally won't.

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I guess I can see what your saying, but speed plays a part in this to. A faster player can stretch a single into a double and its no more likely to drive in the run than if a slower player hit the ball in the same place and only had a single.

[Guest]

not too many runners score from first on a single and stolen base.

 

Actually this statement is kinda wierd since if you hit a single and steal a base you would no longer be on first you'd be on second, so you wouldnt be scoring from first youd be scoring from second.

 

you're reading it wrong. a double can score a runner from first whereas a single and stolen base generally won't.

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I guess I can see what your saying, but speed plays a part in this to. A faster player can stretch a single into a double and its no more likely to drive in the run than if a slower player hit the ball in the same place and only had a single.

That's much more rare, though. I'm trying to set the points in this league to reflect how much value each event is actually worth to a team. When you look at the value of stolen bases vs walks vs singles vs doubles, etc. in a linear weights system, SB's are worth significantly less to a team than a hit or a walk.

 

I may have them undervalued right now. I can see an argument for making them worth as much as a walk. But I cannot see how a stolen base could possibly be worth more than a hit.

[Vinestal]

I just think they should be worth as much as a single, that seems to make the most sense to me. Thats my opinion.

[Guest]

I just think they should be worth as much as a single, that seems to make the most sense to me. Thats my opinion.

Should walks & singles be valued equally, then? Even though a single advances other baserunners and a walk may not?

[Vinestal]

I just think they should be worth as much as a single, that seems to make the most sense to me. Thats my opinion.

Should walks & singles be valued equally, then? Even though a single advances other baserunners and a walk may not?

 

Hmm I guess I can see your point, but I dont have a problem with walks being worth as much as a single either. It would be fine with me if a walk, a single and a SB are worth 1 point.