Pierre FA Compensation/ Arbitration

[SaorsaDaonnan]

It's obvious that we should dump a bunch of players at the deadline- bad signings, guys who won't be back next year, ect. We've had plenty of discussion about who should go.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't some of these guys be A type free agents in the offseason? Pierre, for instance. The way all of you are talking, he should be dealt for whatever we can get. Are we really likely to get better returns from a trade than from a top draft pick?

 

Personally, I have no clue- I don't know much about the strength or depth of next year's draft class. But, as a higher-payroll organization, the Cubs don't have a great need for young but low-cieling guys.

 

Obviously, the Cubs should dangle Pierre and see what they can get. But since he isn't really standing in anyone's way, it would seem that there's no reason to prefer trading him now to letting him go in the offseason, unless we can get more from him that way than from the draft.

 

Given the other CF options next year, do we really need to be afraid of him accepting arbitration? If he did, what would you guess he gets in arby (not that it would actually go to that)

[NCCubFan]

In order to get draft pick compensation the Cubs would have to arbitration. If they do so, there's always the chance that the player would accept and the Cubs would then be stuck with him for another year.

[NorthsideAvenger]

In order to get draft pick compensation the Cubs would have to arbitration. If they do so, there's always the chance that the player would accept and the Cubs would then be stuck with him for another year.

 

And Pierre will prolly get arb near what he is making right now ($5.5 mill), if not more. And for a "hitter" like Pierre, it doesn't make sense to offer arb to him, knowing there is NO way he is going a deal like he wants.

 

But knowing the Cubs, and their "value chart," (ie Perez, Nefit) they'd prolly re-sign Pierre to a 4 yr $40 million dollar contract, and hold the "speed don't slump" press conference.

[goonys evil twin]

In order to get draft pick compensation the Cubs would have to arbitration. If they do so, there's always the chance that the player would accept and the Cubs would then be stuck with him for another year.

 

And Pierre will prolly get arb near what he is making right now ($5.5 mill), if not more. And for a "hitter" like Pierre, it doesn't make sense to offer arb to him, knowing there is NO way he is going a deal like he wants.

 

But knowing the Cubs, and their "value chart," (ie Perez, Nefit) they'd prolly re-sign Pierre to a 4 yr $40 million dollar contract, and hold the "speed don't slump" press conference.

 

I would expect him to get more than he's making right now, and I would expect him to accept arbitration if it's offered, unless he goes on a tear and draws greater interest.

[BigbadB]

There is also the possibility that a team signs a player prior to the arbitration deadline. However, I do not see that happening with Pierre.

 

Just beg some team to give you whatever you can get and call it good.

 

Another lesson learned. Wow. Cubs brass should be the most lesson learning group in baseball at this point.

[TheDude]

Contrary to the popular opinion on this board, a lot more people in baseball think like Dusty Baker than they do like any Beananite molds.

 

That means Pierre has value at the trade deadline for any team within striking distance in need of speed and run production at the top of the order (even on reputation alone), and if the Cubs are inclined (let's hope), they will deal him for a solid B level prospect at the least.

 

Hendry will simply have to write off the lost pitchers as a gamble that didn't work. That happens.

[goonys evil twin]

Contrary to the popular opinion on this board, a lot more people in baseball think like Dusty Baker than they do like any Beananite molds.

 

I think the popular opinion shares in that opinion. There are a lot of backward thinkers in baseball.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Contrary to the popular opinion on this board, a lot more people in baseball think like Dusty Baker than they do like any Beananite molds.

 

That means Pierre has value at the trade deadline for any team within striking distance in need of speed and run production at the top of the order (even on reputation alone), and if the Cubs are inclined (let's hope), they will deal him for a solid B level prospect at the least.

 

Hendry will simply have to write off the lost pitchers as a gamble that didn't work. That happens.

 

It's because of that thinking that we may not have to just write off the pitchers we lost. If Pierre can maintain a respectable run, we should get decent value in return if we decide to move him. I don't think we'll get value quite equal to what we gave up, but I think it will be better than a lot of us expect.

[TheDude]

It's because of that thinking that we may not have to just write off the pitchers we lost. If Pierre can maintain a respectable run, we should get decent value in return if we decide to move him. I don't think we'll get value quite equal to what we gave up, but I think it will be better than a lot of us expect.

 

That's basically what I was trying to say :).

 

It is difficult to say what the Cubs actually gave up, as the club is having a difficult time already trying to litmus the half-dozen young pitchers with big league potential already, and I'm not sure the prize of the trade (Nolasco) would have had opportunities here.

 

If you're half-full kind of person, it's possible to analyze (depending on future value) an addition by subtraction value on the 3 pitchers sent to Florida. By parting with Mitre and Wellemeyer, the other young guys are being showcased and have been given the opportunities that were blocked by lesser talent, which only increases their value.

 

The Cubs will not need Marshall, Hill, Guzman, Ryu, and Marmol. If they have increased value on any of these kids by letting them pitch this year, then that is some extra value (hopefully). I think three of those five are expendable.

 

Losing Nolasco is a shame. But one can only hope that some of these other young arms net a young bat works out.