Mark Prior Starting Tommorrow

[YearofDaCubs]

Surely this has to be rock bottom for this franchise, right? I mean the baseball gods sure are a great lot. Dangle perhaps the best young pitcher in a generation in front of us, but only let us really have him for one year. Let him be so good that first year that we make the playoffs with a bad team. Then let our turd for a manager abuse him until he is a shell of himself. Gotta love being a cubs fan. This is just truley depressing.

 

Don't you think taking a line drive on the elbow had more impact on Prior's career path?

Not at all. I think 2003 had more to do with that.

 

I'm not going to argue that Prior throws a lot of pitches in his starts, sometimes more than you would like to see (especially with big leads). However, he had one full season where he was very good and healthy. He's been neither since. I can't blame Dusty and the 7 innings per start he gave to the pitcher with the perfect mechanics for ruining his career (part blame, sure, but a lot has to do with the man himself and the types of injuries he has sustained).

Yes, and since that one healthy season which statistically Z,Prior, and Wood were the highest abused pitchers that year, Wood and Prior haven't been the same.

[impaler_240]

Baker has ruined Prior and Wood already...Z is next.

[illiniguy]

Prior should sue the Cubs over lost wages in the future. This is the same reason why I don't mind Kerry getting all the money he has from us while injured. The Cubs could have cost him 50 million with all the abuse he suffered under their care.

[Jon]

Kind of off the beaten path of this thread. But here it goes any way. I went to the game today and when Prior was warming up he was throwing a towel. I found it kinda comical. Has to be comical or else it's just sad.

He does the towel drill before every start or side-session.

 

Since I don't care about the result of the game and wanted another rehab start anyways, I'll just think of this as another rehab start. Really the last thing I was looking for was his velocity, and it continued to progress. I'm relatively satisfied with the outing.

[impaler_240]

I'm relatively satisfied with the outing.

 

Yeah he looked great today...a very successful outing. :lol:

[Chocolate Milk]

Surely this has to be rock bottom for this franchise, right? I mean the baseball gods sure are a great lot. Dangle perhaps the best young pitcher in a generation in front of us, but only let us really have him for one year. Let him be so good that first year that we make the playoffs with a bad team. Then let our turd for a manager abuse him until he is a shell of himself. Gotta love being a cubs fan. This is just truley depressing.

 

Don't you think taking a line drive on the elbow had more impact on Prior's career path?

Not at all. I think 2003 had more to do with that.

 

I'm not going to argue that Prior throws a lot of pitches in his starts, sometimes more than you would like to see (especially with big leads). However, he had one full season where he was very good and healthy. He's been neither since. I can't blame Dusty and the 7 innings per start he gave to the pitcher with the perfect mechanics for ruining his career (part blame, sure, but a lot has to do with the man himself and the types of injuries he has sustained).

 

This post makes no sense. I read it five times and still can't figure it out.

[impaler_240]

Surely this has to be rock bottom for this franchise, right? I mean the baseball gods sure are a great lot. Dangle perhaps the best young pitcher in a generation in front of us, but only let us really have him for one year. Let him be so good that first year that we make the playoffs with a bad team. Then let our turd for a manager abuse him until he is a shell of himself. Gotta love being a cubs fan. This is just truley depressing.

 

Don't you think taking a line drive on the elbow had more impact on Prior's career path?

Not at all. I think 2003 had more to do with that.

 

I'm not going to argue that Prior throws a lot of pitches in his starts, sometimes more than you would like to see (especially with big leads). However, he had one full season where he was very good and healthy. He's been neither since. I can't blame Dusty and the 7 innings per start he gave to the pitcher with the perfect mechanics for ruining his career (part blame, sure, but a lot has to do with the man himself and the types of injuries he has sustained).

 

This post makes no sense. I read it five times and still can't figure it out.

 

Easy...this guy supports Dusty overworking his pitchers. :? :?:

[srbin84]

My point was I can only blame Dusty so much. I can give him pretty much all of the blame for his 2004 performance, but at this point, I don't blame him for anything that happens to Prior or Wood. They had a lot of time to rehab more than once. Every other pitcher in the league deals with it too. Look at any playoff team and you will see a lot of guys who had more than 210 IP. That's just the way baseball is played. When you have a shot at the playoffs, you ride your horses. Wood had TJS before Baker or Baylor came here, and his injury problems can be traced back to his high school days. I don't want to call Prior a wimp because I know a lot of you don't like to hear that, but whatever it is, there is something about him that is a little bit different from most pitchers because he just doesn't seem like he can pitch a full season (let alone while playing at the level he is capable of). Some of you seem to be saying if the Cubs had a manager that took pitchers out a little earlier, Prior would be pitching at or near 200 innings a year. If that is what you guys are saying, I disagree. I don't like Dusty and wanted him and Hendry fired after 2004, but I'm not going to blame them for everything just out of convenience.

[Shavo]

You guys are so funny.

 

If Prior can just get his velocity back he will be fine. Then he has to work on staying healthy, arm strength, ect. He wont be another Wood, the old Prior will return.

[YearofDaCubs]

You guys are so funny.

 

If Prior can just get his velocity back he will be fine. Then he has to work on staying healthy, arm strength, ect. He wont be another Wood, the old Prior will return.

Getting his velocity back is a big IF.

[srbin84]

You guys are so funny.

 

If Prior can just get his velocity back he will be fine. Then he has to work on staying healthy, arm strength, ect. He wont be another Wood, the old Prior will return.

Getting his velocity back is a big IF.

 

And even if he did, look at what he did the last two years when he had it....not exactly ace quality pitching.

[Jon]

You guys are so funny.

 

If Prior can just get his velocity back he will be fine. Then he has to work on staying healthy, arm strength, ect. He wont be another Wood, the old Prior will return.

Getting his velocity back is a big IF.

I don't think so. It's nearly half-way there from where he starter a few weeks ago.

[srbin84]

You guys are so funny.

 

If Prior can just get his velocity back he will be fine. Then he has to work on staying healthy, arm strength, ect. He wont be another Wood, the old Prior will return.

Getting his velocity back is a big IF.

I don't think so. It's nearly half-way there from where he starter a few weeks ago.

 

Are you saying he was throwing 85-87 in last start?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

You guys are so funny.

 

If Prior can just get his velocity back he will be fine. Then he has to work on staying healthy, arm strength, ect. He wont be another Wood, the old Prior will return.

Getting his velocity back is a big IF.

 

And even if he did, look at what he did the last two years when he had it....not exactly ace quality pitching.

 

Before the line drive, he was "ace quality" last season.

[Jon]

You guys are so funny.

 

If Prior can just get his velocity back he will be fine. Then he has to work on staying healthy, arm strength, ect. He wont be another Wood, the old Prior will return.

Getting his velocity back is a big IF.

I don't think so. It's nearly half-way there from where he starter a few weeks ago.

 

Are you saying he was throwing 85-87 in last start?

No.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

You guys are so funny.

 

If Prior can just get his velocity back he will be fine. Then he has to work on staying healthy, arm strength, ect. He wont be another Wood, the old Prior will return.

Getting his velocity back is a big IF.

I don't think so. It's nearly half-way there from where he starter a few weeks ago.

 

Are you saying he was throwing 85-87 in last start?

 

Are you serious?

[Caryatid]

My point was I can only blame Dusty so much. I can give him pretty much all of the blame for his 2004 performance, but at this point, I don't blame him for anything that happens to Prior or Wood. They had a lot of time to rehab more than once. Every other pitcher in the league deals with it too. Look at any playoff team and you will see a lot of guys who had more than 210 IP.

 

1. IP isn't really a good way to figure pitcher abuse. Clearly, 6 IP by Maddux involves a whole lot less pitches than does 6 IP by Prior or Wood.

 

2. By stating that they "had plenty of time to rehab," you discount the possibility that Prior's injury was permanent, which is always a possibility. There's certainly a possibility that the damage done to Prior's arm during 2003 was permanent, and no amount of rehab can fix it.

[Jon]

1. IP isn't really a good way to figure pitcher abuse. Clearly, 6 IP by Madduz involves a whole lot less pitches than does 6 IP by Prior or Wood. during 2003 was permanent, and no amount of rehab can fix it.

An average of 113+ pitches per start in your first full season in the majors is pretty absurd.

 

Really just amazing.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

My point was I can only blame Dusty so much. I can give him pretty much all of the blame for his 2004 performance, but at this point, I don't blame him for anything that happens to Prior or Wood. They had a lot of time to rehab more than once. Every other pitcher in the league deals with it too. Look at any playoff team and you will see a lot of guys who had more than 210 IP.

 

Look at pitches (specifically the pitches Prior threw as he tired and his mechanics altered). Pitcher abuse is a great stat to look at.

 

Especially when it was Prior's first season throwing anywhere near that many innings.

[srbin84]

My point was I can only blame Dusty so much. I can give him pretty much all of the blame for his 2004 performance, but at this point, I don't blame him for anything that happens to Prior or Wood. They had a lot of time to rehab more than once. Every other pitcher in the league deals with it too. Look at any playoff team and you will see a lot of guys who had more than 210 IP.

 

Look at pitches (specifically the pitches Prior threw as he tired and his mechanics altered). Pitcher abuse is a great stat to look at.

 

Especially when it was Prior's first season throwing anywhere near that many innings.

 

It's a good stat, but I'd like to see how many innings the non-Cubs at the top of the list pitch every year and what their performance is.

[Mark_R]

My point was I can only blame Dusty so much. I can give him pretty much all of the blame for his 2004 performance, but at this point, I don't blame him for anything that happens to Prior or Wood. They had a lot of time to rehab more than once. Every other pitcher in the league deals with it too. Look at any playoff team and you will see a lot of guys who had more than 210 IP.

 

Look at pitches (specifically the pitches Prior threw as he tired and his mechanics altered). Pitcher abuse is a great stat to look at.

 

Especially when it was Prior's first season throwing anywhere near that many innings.

 

It's a good stat, but I'd like to see how many innings the non-Cubs at the top of the list pitch every year and what their performance is.

 

I can tell you Livan Hernandez throws a lot of innings/pitches a year and really isn't that good.

[srbin84]

My point was I can only blame Dusty so much. I can give him pretty much all of the blame for his 2004 performance, but at this point, I don't blame him for anything that happens to Prior or Wood. They had a lot of time to rehab more than once. Every other pitcher in the league deals with it too. Look at any playoff team and you will see a lot of guys who had more than 210 IP.

 

Look at pitches (specifically the pitches Prior threw as he tired and his mechanics altered). Pitcher abuse is a great stat to look at.

 

Especially when it was Prior's first season throwing anywhere near that many innings.

 

It's a good stat, but I'd like to see how many innings the non-Cubs at the top of the list pitch every year and what their performance is.

 

I can tell you Livan Hernandez throws a lot of innings/pitches a year and really isn't that good.

 

Actually, I'm a big fan of Livan and think he is a good pitcher.

[Mark_R]

Livan's had a couple good seasons, but is average at best over the course of his career.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

My point was I can only blame Dusty so much. I can give him pretty much all of the blame for his 2004 performance, but at this point, I don't blame him for anything that happens to Prior or Wood. They had a lot of time to rehab more than once. Every other pitcher in the league deals with it too. Look at any playoff team and you will see a lot of guys who had more than 210 IP.

 

Look at pitches (specifically the pitches Prior threw as he tired and his mechanics altered). Pitcher abuse is a great stat to look at.

 

Especially when it was Prior's first season throwing anywhere near that many innings.

 

It's a good stat, but I'd like to see how many innings the non-Cubs at the top of the list pitch every year and what their performance is.

 

I can tell you Livan Hernandez throws a lot of innings/pitches a year and really isn't that good.

 

Actually, I'm a big fan of Livan and think he is a good pitcher.

 

Is it the 5.18 ERA and 1.55 WHIP he has on the season that makes him a good pitcher? Or is it the career 4.16 ERA and .275 BAA?

[Chris]

Is it the 5.18 ERA and 1.55 WHIP he has on the season that makes him a good pitcher? Or is it the career 4.16 ERA and .275 BAA?

 

Yikes!