The Non-Accountability Continues

[badgercub]

(Hairston wouldn't have killed them for one game, plus they suck anyway and would probably lose with or without him)

I can't wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnn......with or withouuuuuuuut yoooooooooouuu

 

I would prefer to think of the Cubs season as something closer to "Sunday, bloody Sunday"

It certainly won't be "October"

 

bravo

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

If you're going to use recent history, you should also point out where the Astros were a year ago at this point and where they finished. They didn't fire Garner when things were going poorly and that turned out okay.

 

Fair enough, but you still didn't answer my question as to what makes you think Dusty has what it takes to turn this around? Or what has he shown you that you think he is a good manager?

 

I don't have that answer. I do think he is a guy the players respect and will play hard for. His teams do have a history of playing well in the second half, although his recent Cubs' teams would indicate otherwise.

 

I'm not a huge Dusty supporter. Do I think he deserves a chance to get this team out of their hole? Yes, I do. However, if the management really think he's to blame, then fire him.....what I'm saying is don't fire the guy just for the sake of making a move. Only do so if you have a viable candidate available.

 

Wouldn't you agree that that is not the case right now? As far as guys playing hard for him. When half the guys are not mentally in the game and continue to make the same mental mistakes over and over again, I just don't think Dusty has them playing hard for him, they don't seem to be prepared at all.

 

You could be right....I don't know. I hope they give the guy a chance to get this team out of the hole they dug themselves. If they don't, all of your wishes will come true at the end of the year and Baker will not be retained.

 

Who would you like to see them hire as manager assuming Dusty is let go?

 

Davey Johnson, please.

Not to go too far off-topic with my U2 love, but October gets way too much flak. It fits nicely between Boy and War with the whole Angry Irish Catholic Youth theme.

 

I also think the Cubs should get rid of this NL-style Station-To-Station baseball. They should concentrate on keeping their pitch counts and runs against Low, and if the hitters just wait for the right pitch, they can be Heroes. Then everything will be Hunky Dory.

 

How do you like THAT.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Not to go too far off-topic with my U2 love, but October gets way too much flak. It fits nicely between Boy and War with the whole Angry Irish Catholic Youth theme.

 

I also think the Cubs should get rid of this NL-style Station-To-Station baseball. They should concentrate on keeping their pitch counts and runs against Low, and if the hitters just wait for the right pitch, they can be Heroes. Then everything will be Hunky Dory.

 

How do you like THAT.

 

I liken it more to LL (little league) style.

[David]

I'm all for station-to-station baseball. Get runners on base, hit home runs and doubles.

 

Sign me up.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm all for station-to-station baseball. Get runners on base, hit home runs and doubles.

 

Sign me up.

 

It's OK if you can do it, but we're 29th in OBP and 30th in SLG. It ain't happenin'.

[David]

I'm all for station-to-station baseball. Get runners on base, hit home runs and doubles.

 

Sign me up.

 

It's OK if you can do it, but we're 29th in OBP and 30th in SLG. It ain't happenin'.

 

Exactly. :cry:

[bring stone back]

 

If you're going to use recent history, you should also point out where the Astros were a year ago at this point and where they finished. They didn't fire Garner when things were going poorly and that turned out okay.

 

Fair enough, but you still didn't answer my question as to what makes you think Dusty has what it takes to turn this around? Or what has he shown you that you think he is a good manager?

 

I don't have that answer. I do think he is a guy the players respect and will play hard for. His teams do have a history of playing well in the second half, although his recent Cubs' teams would indicate otherwise.

 

I'm not a huge Dusty supporter. Do I think he deserves a chance to get this team out of their hole? Yes, I do. However, if the management really think he's to blame, then fire him.....what I'm saying is don't fire the guy just for the sake of making a move. Only do so if you have a viable candidate available.

 

Wouldn't you agree that that is not the case right now? As far as guys playing hard for him. When half the guys are not mentally in the game and continue to make the same mental mistakes over and over again, I just don't think Dusty has them playing hard for him, they don't seem to be prepared at all.

 

You could be right....I don't know. I hope they give the guy a chance to get this team out of the hole they dug themselves. If they don't, all of your wishes will come true at the end of the year and Baker will not be retained.

 

Who would you like to see them hire as manager assuming Dusty is let go?

 

Davey Johnson, please.

 

Is he currently out of the game? Anyone know what he does now? Just wondering.....

[Banedon]

Is he currently out of the game? Anyone know what he does now? Just wondering.....

 

Aren't all managers that don't currently have jobs, and thus are not managing, out of baseball?

 

How about Bobby Valentine then?

Bobby Valentine is managing in Japan.

 

I guess they can still be "in baseball" in a coaching, announcing, advising capacity. Once you're at that level, somebody finds a job for you, whether you deserve it or not.

[Banedon]

Bobby Valentine is managing in Japan.

 

I guess they can still be "in baseball" in a coaching, announcing, advising capacity. Once you're at that level, somebody finds a job for you, whether you deserve it or not.

 

That was my point though. Bobby is still in baseball, and would be a viable managerial candidate, when what bsb has been arguing is that there aren't viable candidates available. At least I think that's what he's arguing, since he's asked about 4 times in this thread for managerial candidates.

[David]

Bobby Valentine is managing in Japan.

 

I guess they can still be "in baseball" in a coaching, announcing, advising capacity. Once you're at that level, somebody finds a job for you, whether you deserve it or not.

 

That was my point though. Bobby is still in baseball, and would be a viable managerial candidate, when what bsb has been arguing is that there aren't viable candidates available. At least I think that's what he's arguing, since he's asked about 4 times in this thread for managerial candidates.

 

I honestly thought he was genuinely curious as to what Davey Johnson is up to nowadays.. Maybe I'm naive. :?

[bring stone back]

Bobby Valentine is managing in Japan.

 

I guess they can still be "in baseball" in a coaching, announcing, advising capacity. Once you're at that level, somebody finds a job for you, whether you deserve it or not.

 

That was my point though. Bobby is still in baseball, and would be a viable managerial candidate, when what bsb has been arguing is that there aren't viable candidates available. At least I think that's what he's arguing, since he's asked about 4 times in this thread for managerial candidates.

 

I honestly thought he was genuinely curious as to what Davey Johnson is up to nowadays.. Maybe I'm naive. :?

 

That's exactly what I was wondering. I knew Valentine was in Japan and many former managers are working media in some capacity or a 1st/3rd base coach (Pujols, Pena, etc). I was just wondering where and what Johnson was up to.

[Banedon]

Bobby Valentine is managing in Japan.

 

I guess they can still be "in baseball" in a coaching, announcing, advising capacity. Once you're at that level, somebody finds a job for you, whether you deserve it or not.

 

That was my point though. Bobby is still in baseball, and would be a viable managerial candidate, when what bsb has been arguing is that there aren't viable candidates available. At least I think that's what he's arguing, since he's asked about 4 times in this thread for managerial candidates.

 

I honestly thought he was genuinely curious as to what Davey Johnson is up to nowadays.. Maybe I'm naive. :?

 

That's exactly what I was wondering. I knew Valentine was in Japan and many former managers are working media in some capacity or a 1st/3rd base coach (Pujols, Pena, etc). I was just wondering where and what Johnson was up to.

 

My bad then...thought you were being sarcastic.

[bring stone back]

Bobby Valentine is managing in Japan.

 

I guess they can still be "in baseball" in a coaching, announcing, advising capacity. Once you're at that level, somebody finds a job for you, whether you deserve it or not.

 

That was my point though. Bobby is still in baseball, and would be a viable managerial candidate, when what bsb has been arguing is that there aren't viable candidates available. At least I think that's what he's arguing, since he's asked about 4 times in this thread for managerial candidates.

 

I honestly thought he was genuinely curious as to what Davey Johnson is up to nowadays.. Maybe I'm naive. :?

 

That's exactly what I was wondering. I knew Valentine was in Japan and many former managers are working media in some capacity or a 1st/3rd base coach (Pujols, Pena, etc). I was just wondering where and what Johnson was up to.

 

My bad then...thought you were being sarcastic.

 

No worries...I'm not trying to start anything. I think we've had a nice dialogue on this topic.

 

I am not completely against getting rid of Baker. It's just that if we do that, I want to see a legitimate managerial upgrade to come in and we don't repeat the Bruce Kimm debacle. I was just asking who that would/could be.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Bobby Valentine is managing in Japan.

 

I guess they can still be "in baseball" in a coaching, announcing, advising capacity. Once you're at that level, somebody finds a job for you, whether you deserve it or not.

 

That was my point though. Bobby is still in baseball, and would be a viable managerial candidate, when what bsb has been arguing is that there aren't viable candidates available. At least I think that's what he's arguing, since he's asked about 4 times in this thread for managerial candidates.

 

I honestly thought he was genuinely curious as to what Davey Johnson is up to nowadays.. Maybe I'm naive. :?

 

That's exactly what I was wondering. I knew Valentine was in Japan and many former managers are working media in some capacity or a 1st/3rd base coach (Pujols, Pena, etc). I was just wondering where and what Johnson was up to.

 

My bad then...thought you were being sarcastic.

 

No worries...I'm not trying to start anything. I think we've had a nice dialogue on this topic.

 

I am not completely against getting rid of Baker. It's just that if we do that, I want to see a legitimate managerial upgrade to come in and we don't repeat the Bruce Kimm debacle. I was just asking who that would/could be.

 

It's all a moot point if this has any truth, which it likely does:

 

viewtopic.php?t=32026

 

My 2 cents is that Speier deserves a shot for the rest of this season. This team has not yet shown me that there's any way for them to salvage what's left, so why not give a new guy a chance?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Last I heard, Johnson managed the 2005 USA World Cup team. I don't know what he's done since then.

 

Here's an article that dealt with his being named manager of that team.

[bring stone back]

Bobby Valentine is managing in Japan.

 

I guess they can still be "in baseball" in a coaching, announcing, advising capacity. Once you're at that level, somebody finds a job for you, whether you deserve it or not.

 

That was my point though. Bobby is still in baseball, and would be a viable managerial candidate, when what bsb has been arguing is that there aren't viable candidates available. At least I think that's what he's arguing, since he's asked about 4 times in this thread for managerial candidates.

 

I honestly thought he was genuinely curious as to what Davey Johnson is up to nowadays.. Maybe I'm naive. :?

 

That's exactly what I was wondering. I knew Valentine was in Japan and many former managers are working media in some capacity or a 1st/3rd base coach (Pujols, Pena, etc). I was just wondering where and what Johnson was up to.

 

My bad then...thought you were being sarcastic.

 

No worries...I'm not trying to start anything. I think we've had a nice dialogue on this topic.

 

I am not completely against getting rid of Baker. It's just that if we do that, I want to see a legitimate managerial upgrade to come in and we don't repeat the Bruce Kimm debacle. I was just asking who that would/could be.

 

It's all a moot point if this has any truth, which it likely does:

 

viewtopic.php?t=32026

 

My 2 cents is that Speier deserves a shot for the rest of this season. This team has not yet shown me that there's any way for them to salvage what's left, so why not give a new guy a chance?

 

After listening to this Florida game, you're probably right. I wanted so badly for this to work out.....