Cubs need to trade for Cabrera, whatever it takes

[srbin84]

This thread is about what to do now that Lee is hurt. The only argument you could make is that the Cubs wouldn't be able to afford to keep such a talented team together.

 

It deals with a proposed transaction, so it would be best if the Cabrera conversation shifted to one of the threads in Transactions. Thanks.

Edited April 21, 2006 by srbin84

[Laura]

You can feel free to make it about Cabrera, since you were arguing that in discussions.

[JWCUB]

I agree. This offense without Lee is average at best. Below average in the power department compared to the other NL Central teams. It was just 2 years ago when we had more than enough power hiters in the line-up. Now we have 1. :cry:

[katway]

Cabrera is a great talent, but has a poor attitude and work ethic. As much as it would cost to get him, I'd rather go after another player without the attitude and work ethic issues for the long-term future.

[sethuel1]

I agree. This offense without Lee is average at best. Below average in the power department compared to the other NL Central teams. It was just 2 years ago when we had more than enough power hiters in the line-up. Now we have 1. :cry:

 

This offense is average with Lee. Without him it's not even close to average.

[Banedon]

Cabrera is a great talent, but has a poor attitude and work ethic. As much as it would cost to get him, I'd rather go after another player without the attitude and work ethic issues for the long-term future.

 

Could be his attitude and work ethic could have something to do with where he plays and the talent he's surrounded by. Of course I don't know that for sure, but certainly a change of scenery could be helpful. I have a feeling that some of the vets on this team would put him in his place, and not let him get that "top dog" feeling.

[goonys evil twin]

Cabrera is a great talent, but has a poor attitude and work ethic. As much as it would cost to get him, I'd rather go after another player without the attitude and work ethic issues for the long-term future.

 

Where are we going to find these players. Young stud players don't fall from trees.

 

Florida won a WS with Cabrera's attitude. Jenks epitomizes bad attitude and work ethic, yet he helped the Sox win (throw in AJ for attitude problems), several jerks in history have won titles with the Yankees.

 

The Cubs needed another big bat even when Lee was healthy. Now they need one all that much more. I have always been 100% for giving up a lot for Cabrera, and I still am.

[goonys evil twin]

I'd love this work ethic hanging out in the Cubs clubhouse, .346/.443/.635.

[srbin84]

Z has attitude problems but nobody seems to have a problem with him being on the team.

[katway]

Just saying I wouldn't trade the farm for this guy...http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2174699&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233 In other words, the team shouldn't be willing to do "whatever it takes" to get a guy who is clubhouse manure. I'd rather go after some other talented young players and give up a little less in a trade. There's no denying his talent, just wouldn't give up whatever it takes to get the guy. Edited April 21, 2006 by katway

[katway]

Z has attitude problems but nobody seems to have a problem with him being on the team.

 

Z may be passionate, but is not a clubhouse cancer with attitude problems.

[goonys evil twin]

Just saying I wouldn't trade the farm for this guy...http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2174699&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233 In other words, the team shouldn't be willing to do "whatever it takes" to get a guy who is clubhouse manure. I'd rather go after some other talented young players and give up a little less in a trade. There's no denying his talent, just wouldn't give up wahetever it takes to get the guy.

 

Again, who are these other young talented players. These guys don't come available.

 

And it's a huge stretch to call him clubhouse manure.

[goonys evil twin]

Z has attitude problems but nobody seems to have a problem with him being on the team.

 

Z may be passionate, but is not a clubhouse cancer with attitude problems.

 

Neither is Cabrera.

[srbin84]

From the view I had of the Marlins in 2003, Cabrera seemed like a bit of an ass, but it certainly didn't seem to affect the team negatively.

[katway]

From the view I had of the Marlins in 2003, Cabrera seemed like a bit of an ass, but it certainly didn't seem to affect the team negatively.

 

I'm not saying you can't win with him. The Marlins certainly are lucky to have him. However, I wouldn't do "whatever it takes" to get a guy that hasn't learned how to be a pro in the clubhouse. See http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/content/sports/epaper/2006/03/31/a1b_cabrera_0331.html Just my $.02. Never said he wasn't good, never said a team couldn't win with him, just noting that IMO, he isn't worth the farm. I don't view him as being as complete as Pujols (who is worth the farm) and other great players because he doesn't have the right attitude and work ethic to justify "whatever it takes" to land him.

[srbin84]

From the view I had of the Marlins in 2003, Cabrera seemed like a bit of an ass, but it certainly didn't seem to affect the team negatively.

 

I'm not saying you can't win with him. The Marlins certainly are lucky to have him. However, I wouldn't do "whatever it takes" to get a guy that hasn't learned how to be a pro in the clubhouse. See http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/content/sports/epaper/2006/03/31/a1b_cabrera_0331.html Just my $.02. Never said he wasn't good, never said a team couldn't win with him, just noting that IMO, he isn't worth the farm. I don't view him as being as complete as Pujols (who is worth the farm) and other great players because he doesn't have the right attitude and work ethic to justify "whatever it takes" to land him.

 

Well, all I care about is winning, it doesn't matter to me if he isn't liked.

[ZMovieman]

Maybe this is just the optimist in me, but suppose for a moment that we got Cabrera. Could a fellow Venezulean (and peer) in Zambrano help his work ethic? My take on Cabrera is more that he has a problem with superiors telling him to work out. If Zambrano particularly was paired with him, I'd like to think Cabrera would be more receptive to advice. Just a thought.

 

Of course, it's a moot point because Cabrera is a Marlin.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Miguel Cabrera just turned 23 and one of the most coveted players in all of baseball. He has a tremendous ego and is a little immature. One begat the other. He will grow up, and with the right surroundings should eventually become a little more modest. Even if he doesn't, I'll still take that 900+ OPS any day of the week.

[Backtobanks]

Cabrera is a great talent, but has a poor attitude and work ethic. As much as it would cost to get him, I'd rather go after another player without the attitude and work ethic issues for the long-term future.

 

Those comments sound alot like Aram before we got him from the Pirates. Many times stereotypical comments are made like that about Latin players.

[A New Era]

Yeah, let's get Cabrera! But where does he play!? Does he replace Ramirez next year? Or Jones?

 

Knowing Jim Hendry (remember he "really likes" Jones), He's not about to make a move that basically says "look, you are gone after Lee gets back". That in itself can have a negative effect on the team. You are basically expected to play for a team that you know is going to trade you in 2 months. .

 

If he gets Cabrera, he will trade Jones away. And that sort of stuff is EXTREMELY hard to do in April. But anyway, I don't even think it's realistic that he will even GO after him. So it doesn't matter either way. .

[srbin84]

You could do all kinds of things in the future if you had Cabrera. I think he could play 2nd as well, though I would not move him there for Jones.

[A New Era]

You could do all kinds of things in the future if you had Cabrera. I think he could play 2nd as well, though I would not move him there for Jones.

 

Where would Cabrera be playing now though? I'm all for it just as you are. I just don't see it as a "Jim Hendry" type of move.

[srbin84]

You could do all kinds of things in the future if you had Cabrera. I think he could play 2nd as well, though I would not move him there for Jones.

 

Where would Cabrera be playing now though? I'm all for it just as you are. I just don't see it as a "Jim Hendry" type of move.

 

No, it's not a Hendry type of move, that's for sure. I'd put Ram at first and Cabrera at 3rd.

[goonys evil twin]

You could do all kinds of things in the future if you had Cabrera. I think he could play 2nd as well, though I would not move him there for Jones.

 

Where would Cabrera be playing now though? I'm all for it just as you are. I just don't see it as a "Jim Hendry" type of move.

 

He's played SS, 3B, LF and RF. I think he can play 1B now. Move him to LF when Lee returns and platoon Murton with Jones (although I'd just bench Jones if he still sucks).

[A New Era]

You could do all kinds of things in the future if you had Cabrera. I think he could play 2nd as well, though I would not move him there for Jones.

 

Where would Cabrera be playing now though? I'm all for it just as you are. I just don't see it as a "Jim Hendry" type of move.

 

He's played SS, 3B, LF and RF. I think he can play 1B now. Move him to LF when Lee returns and platoon Murton with Jones (although I'd just bench Jones if he still sucks).

 

I'd just put him in RF after Lee is back and trade Jones. Because Murton is probably going to be a great player, it would be wise to keep him for several years anchoring LF. Then IF Ramirez can't be signed after his contract is up, you have your new 3B.