What's with Wuertz?

[goonys evil twin]

I don't see how you can just disregard their two prior seasons and say theese two aren't good enough to start or close, so they can't be that good.

 

Who said they can't be good? I said they can't be counted on for consistently being good. I don't see how you can disregard their careers, and the careers of several other similar pitchers in the same category and say without a doubt they'll be good.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I think Howry actually had opportunities to close, FWIW.

[nick23]

I don't see how you can just disregard their two prior seasons and say theese two aren't good enough to start or close, so they can't be that good.

 

Who said they can't be good? I said they can't be counted on for consistently being good. I don't see how you can disregard their careers, and the careers of several other similar pitchers in the same category and say without a doubt they'll be good.

 

I know what you said. I was responding to Transformed Tiger.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

In the last year of those 3-year deals, my opinion might change, but at this point I'm just as happy now as I was in November with both the Howry and Eyre signings. If our starter can pitch into the 7th, we have three good relievers to take us home, that's a real switch.

 

And Ohman continues to look good as a loogy.

 

So really, to have a successful 2006 bullpen, we only need ONE of Wuertz, Novoa, Williamson or Wellemeyer to step up and get the job done as the true middle reliever (5th and 6th inning man). Rusch can cover long relief once both Wood and Miller are in the rotation.

 

And as far as that goes, Brownlie could be of help in the bullpen before the season is over, too. Easy to see why Hendry didn't flinch in giving up on Leicester and JVB. We have plenty of arms here.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No, he's saying that they aren't consistent by any measure. Middle relievers are such because they aren't good enough to start, then aren't good enough to close. Add in the short season of IP they get each year, and their performance is bound to vary wildly. That's why you don't know what you'll get with Howry and Eyre(and Wuertz, Novoa, Williamson), and it's especially why it was a bad decision to give each a 3 year deal.

You don't know what you're going to get from Wuertz and Novoa because they haven't pitched enough. I think you have a pretty good idea what your going to get from Howry and Eyre though. I don't see how you can just disregard their two prior seasons and say theese two aren't good enough to start or close, so they can't be that good. Sometimes players get typecast into certain roles. If Bobby Howry had been closing for the Indians last year, he would have been a top 10 AL closer.

 

I never said they can't be good, I said exactly "their performance is bound to vary wildly". Their careers also show that both Howry and Eyre have been far from consistent, add in the nature of their roles as relievers and you don't know what you're going to get.