I'd rather win. Period. I don't care if (insert most hated person here) is coaching the team, I want to win. If you don't think that's possible with this management team (and I think that's what you're saying), that's one thing. But to wish for losing is something I just don't understand. They don't have to win my way, I just want wins. I think what he means is he doesn't want to see 85 wins out of team that has no chance to win the WS thereby saving Dusty's job. If the team wins the WS, I'm with you - but back to back winning seasons is not good enough. Of course, in that case I'm with you. 85 wins shouldn't be a goal, it's a disappointment. However, sometimes we'd rather be right than good, and I'm just trying to clarify. I admit that this team drives me nuts with its style of play, but if it was winning, I'd learn to love it.