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And Auburn gets more votes than South Florida in the good ole boy poll. Just because USF beat Auburn it doesn't mean USF is a better team. Just because Oregon thrashed Michigan it doesn't mean Oregon is a better team. Just because ... How in the world can you beat this kind of bias? This thing is so rigged it's almost WWF mind boggling. No it's called being smart. I guess so. If you have control of a business that makes you millions of dollars having control of who goes where certainly helps.

But the "experts" are so sure they're good, just like they were that Michigan was #5. Hey, it's a name they know.

And Auburn gets more votes than South Florida in the good ole boy poll. Just because USF beat Auburn it doesn't mean USF is a better team. Just because Oregon thrashed Michigan it doesn't mean Oregon is a better team. Just because ... How in the world can you beat this kind of bias? This thing is so rigged it's almost WWF mind boggling.

Outside of the QB position (if we still had Russell there'd be very little questions IMO), I'd probably put LSU's offensive talent up against any number of top ranked teams. You, MAY BE right about LSU being on their heels IF they get going, but MTSU would have to get going first. I'll be floored if LSU gives up more than 10-14 points to MTSU. I think you'll be disappointed in this game in that I don't think you'll see the D giving up points in this one to see how LSU's O responds. You may be right about the defense in that game but imo no way does LSU have a better offense than Louisville.

And Auburn gets more votes than South Florida in the good ole boy poll.

I'm bumping this to respond to Cuse. this is football. more importantly, this is college football. more importantly still this is, for the most part, non-conference college football against mostly patsies, or a t a minimum teams that are generally outclassed. I don't overemphasize either half. what I look for in these situations is dominance from opening kickoff until either the end of the game or garbage time. few teams of note were able to do that yesterday. some had better competition than others, some had lack of "emotion" working against them, some took teams too lightly. I don't care what the excuse, in these situations, all the top teams should be dominating in that way. I don't look for what Navy did last year, I don't look for the pride of Marshall, I don't look for a half of good football making up for a half of bad football and calling it a plus game. I may make mistakes about who might be good but unrecognized, like perhaps Wake, but I'm pretty good about recognizing who is overrated (ie. if OSU-UWash were later in the season I would expect the Buckeyes to win, but I think UW will win that game next week). I call them as I see them. I found pretty much the entire top 25 uninspiring yesterday. it goes for the conference I cheer for, the Big 10 (with the exception of Michigan), it goes for my alma matter, and it goes for every other conference and team. You make some interesting points but as you said, it is college football, and they are young men, not machines. Things can be adjusted and fixed by good teams and if they escape with a win over a less talented team, then they get away with it on that day. It is almost impossible to dominate over the whole 12 games no matter what type of talent you have because there is always that one game where things get tough for one reason or an other. yet you obviously have no trouble punishing Wisconsin and rewarding five Big East teams in your rankings. I've found Wisconsin quite ordinary except for their adjustments made in the second half of the Washington St game.

no they don't. they usually play one good team, and almost always lose. they get credit for having a tough schedule for playing in the SEC, but people lose track of the fact that Kentucky, Ole Miss, Vandy, SC, are in the conference, just like NW, U of IU, and IU are in to the big 10. they miss that Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, MSU, Georgia and Auburn are often hit or miss, just as MSU, Purdue, Iowa, and Minnesota are in the Big Ten. same statement could be made about your precious Big East. all in all, you can say that the SEC gets too much credit as compared to the Big Ten, as the Big Ten does to the Big East. at the same time, it's pretty silly to continue to try to make the case that the Big East is better than the Big Ten top to bottom, or that their top teams are so obviously better than the Big Tens top teams. it would be like a Big Ten fan trying to make those cases about the SEC. you are right that conventional wisdom sucks, but you misuse the 'convential wisdom sucks' argument year after year. Where did I say the Big East is better top to bottom over the Big 10? You're inventing arguments now. I think someone is feeling a little defensive. The problem with college football is the perception of what is good and the reality of what is good. Let's face it, rankings will always be wrong 1-25, always. The problem is that too many go by those polls and then determine what is good and what is better instead of actual research. My poll is no more correct than yours but I try to watch as many games overall as I can to get a decent perspective.

Of course I'm an LSU guy, but out of curiosity why, in your opinion, was OU's win more impressive? I don't see it as impressive enough to rank them ahead of LSU. OU's 2 victories are over North Texas and a not very good Miami. I think a lot of good defenses would have stopped VTech. Let's face it, it's pretty much a toss up at this point but I thought that Miami looked better in week 1 than VTech did, thus my comment. If LSU stuffs MTS next week defensively that will show me how good their defense is which I agree, is very very good. I do see your point about LSU playing 2 better teams overall than Oklahoma though and that does make me rethink it. It's going to be a very interesting season and how it plays out should be quite fascinating. Fair enough, but the U's first game was against the Marshall Herd. Also, if I were you I wouldn't use LSU's game against MTSU as a measuring stick of how good LSU's D is. That should be an absolute bloodbath. True, but it will still probably be the best offense they will have played. Up to that point maybe, but come on, there's no talent comparison b/n LSU and MTSU. MTSU put up a whopping 14 pts. against Florida Atlantic and 42 against a Louisville team that's not exactly known for playing great defense. The biggest improvement for a team is suppose to be in between their first and second game. They had Louisville on their heels the whole game and did a nice job of moving the ball with confidence. If LSU stomps on the confidence and keeps them down, I look for a huge blowout. But, if they get it going the Tigers may too be on their heels. I do realize LSU has a way better D than Louisville But they also don't have quite the explosiveness ass the Cards do on offense to counter a good game by a good offense. Mind you they have a good offense but I'm curious on how they would respond if their D is giving up points.

I'm bumping this to respond to Cuse. this is football. more importantly, this is college football. more importantly still this is, for the most part, non-conference college football against mostly patsies, or a t a minimum teams that are generally outclassed. I don't overemphasize either half. what I look for in these situations is dominance from opening kickoff until either the end of the game or garbage time. few teams of note were able to do that yesterday. some had better competition than others, some had lack of "emotion" working against them, some took teams too lightly. I don't care what the excuse, in these situations, all the top teams should be dominating in that way. I don't look for what Navy did last year, I don't look for the pride of Marshall, I don't look for a half of good football making up for a half of bad football and calling it a plus game. I may make mistakes about who might be good but unrecognized, like perhaps Wake, but I'm pretty good about recognizing who is overrated (ie. if OSU-UWash were later in the season I would expect the Buckeyes to win, but I think UW will win that game next week). I call them as I see them. I found pretty much the entire top 25 uninspiring yesterday. it goes for the conference I cheer for, the Big 10 (with the exception of Michigan), it goes for my alma matter, and it goes for every other conference and team. You make some interesting points but as you said, it is college football, and they are young men, not machines. Things can be adjusted and fixed by good teams and if they escape with a win over a less talented team, then they get away with it on that day. It is almost impossible to dominate over the whole 12 games no matter what type of talent you have because there is always that one game where things get tough for one reason or an other.

I forgot a word Ah, the BC/WF game played last week not last year. Tenn isn't dominating but they lose games because of a tough schedule and not scheduling 4 weak teams out of conference. Yes, Akron is well known for their football program like Marshall is. Also, they only lost to Ohio St in OSU by 18 while WV won by 25 at Marshall. Louisville is such a darling that they were ranked 5th last year after losing only 1 game, yes, quite the media daring obviously. Please tell me how the media punished Florida with that horrible #2 ranking at the end of the regular season last year?

no kidding. that will probably be the only game TCU loses all season unless they somehow make a BCS game. TCU is a very good team with a very good defense. I'll admit I don't know a whole helluva lot about TCU, and looking at their schedule, they should go undefeated in the Moutain West, but I gave my reasons, and they are pretty solid reasons. TCU had a 10 point lead at half, and was tied 10-10 going into the fourth. Texas didn't take a lead until TCU put the ball on the ground inside their own 15. TCU had a hundred yards in penalties, four turnovers, and three other fumbles they managed to get back on. yet Texas couldn't do much with that until the fourth quarter, instead matching TCU in sloppy play for much of the game. I think I demonstrated a lack of homerism here. as a Big 10 guy, I am fine with saying that PSU's win was less than impressive. why people look at the final score and determine whether a team was impressive or not, I have no idea. So why do you give so much weight to the first half of a game and not the second half?

Of course I'm an LSU guy, but out of curiosity why, in your opinion, was OU's win more impressive? I don't see it as impressive enough to rank them ahead of LSU. OU's 2 victories are over North Texas and a not very good Miami. I think a lot of good defenses would have stopped VTech. Let's face it, it's pretty much a toss up at this point but I thought that Miami looked better in week 1 than VTech did, thus my comment. If LSU stuffs MTS next week defensively that will show me how good their defense is which I agree, is very very good. I do see your point about LSU playing 2 better teams overall than Oklahoma though and that does make me rethink it. It's going to be a very interesting season and how it plays out should be quite fascinating.

Good point, no other team was upset last year that in in a bowl game. Rutgers, BC, Wake, Navy. If you watched the BC/WF it was close until late and using your own logic doesn't that make it a tough game? Tenn is usually tough and plays a good schedule. Overrated, maybe but I give them credit for playing a tough team It's a big rivalry game and emotion helped Marshall in the first half and talent took over in the second half I already explained this and conceded the point but hey, at least your consistent. I've been calling you that for years!

I think he meant that it was on WGN radio, but yes it was confusing and I got my hopes up for a second for nothing. Hopes are dashed....(does my best Herman Munster) darn darn darn darn darn..

I thought if it was a tie the Cubs would end up in first because of the alphabetic order rule? It's a good thing they go by the cities and not the nicknames.

Are you sure this game is on WGN? My listings have the Sox on at 2.

Good point. It shows a lack of depth but not an overall bad defense. it shows a lack of experience not really depth. floridas like usc, their third string may be a top 25 team So because they are young that makes them deep? I agree they may get better but they didn't show it last night.

Good point. It shows a lack of depth but not an overall bad defense.

like the way Marshall outplaying WVU for more than a half of football, Middle Tennessee State hanging 42 on Louisville, and Rutgers less than impressive performance against the mighty Midshipmen makes no difference in your eyes? Nebraska and Texas had absolutely unimpressive wins. I agree with your comment about Georgia, but why doesn't it apply to Tennessee too? The Navy team that lost in the last seconds in a bowl game to BC last year? Wake Forrest is a tough team but since they aren't in the midwest you wouldn't know that. Tenn lost to a good Cal team who in my opinion is better than South Carolina. Marshall...of course why would you know since it would take some knowledge of what you're talking about, played WV at home for the first time since 1915 and it was a HUGE game for the state of WV. Huge. I agree Louisville's defense was horrible against MTS and my comment was that Florida's wasn't that great either but I forgot to write about the Louisville as being the one everyone will remember and give Florida a free pass. I omitted that assuming posters would know what I was talking about and was wrong to do so. Edit: I apologize for sounding so rude jigman for the above post.

Sorry man. I'm feeling a run under my creating of game threads. Name the time and place for an old fashion knife fight. It's been a while... Just like a [expletive], bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Wow, I thought you were exaggerating. Everyone I knew at the game said the same thing I was thinking -- that was an awfully boring game after the 1st quarter. 103 total yards with 102 of them in the 2nd half? Ugh. The only positive I found was that your rushing defense looked decent. But then again, overplaying the run let Christensen and Moeaki put up some pretty nice numbers. People say I'm biased and I admit I am a little time to time to try to prove a point but this team is horrible and yeah, they had 8 in a box and dared Iowa to throw figuring "We can't stop the run, overplay it and pray they drop the ball or the QB has a bad game." You'll see your defense in all the highlight reals against Syracuse when they show your seniors or draft eligible players in the April Draft. Watch him run down this guy on this play or go through this block. I'm looking at a 10 to 12 loss season and that's with Buffalo on the schedule. Only one time have they ever lost 10 and that was Robinsons first year. Yippe. Good luck in the Big 10 this year and watch out for Michigan St, I have a funny feeling about those boys this year. bet you can't wait to play Penn State in '08 and '09 Heck, what a horrible time to resume that series. We play USC too, that ought to be fun.

Wow, I thought you were exaggerating. Everyone I knew at the game said the same thing I was thinking -- that was an awfully boring game after the 1st quarter. 103 total yards with 102 of them in the 2nd half? Ugh. The only positive I found was that your rushing defense looked decent. But then again, overplaying the run let Christensen and Moeaki put up some pretty nice numbers. People say I'm biased and I admit I am a little time to time to try to prove a point but this team is horrible and yeah, they had 8 in a box and dared Iowa to throw figuring "We can't stop the run, overplay it and pray they drop the ball or the QB has a bad game." You'll see your defense in all the highlight reals against Syracuse when they show your seniors or draft eligible players in the April Draft. Watch him run down this guy on this play or go through this block. I'm looking at a 10 to 12 loss season and that's with Buffalo on the schedule. Only one time have they ever lost 10 and that was Robinsons first year. Yippe. Good luck in the Big 10 this year and watch out for Michigan St, I have a funny feeling about those boys this year.

Hey Bob, didn't I tell you Syracuse was bad! This is the worst team I have ever seen here, ever. Illinois must be foaming at the mouth right now. Big East hasn't lost a game other than Syracuse and their 0-2 and S.Florida's win at Auburn just helps the cause. Cincy crushing Oregon St helped too. LSU looked very good but VTech couldn't score on East Carolina so that takes a little luster off of it. Oklahoma pounding Miami was more impressive imo. Texas with an impressive win as did Nebraska over a tough Wake team. Oregon takes a little off of how good App St is by showing Michigan isn't that good, still a great win for App St though. Florida gives up 31 to Troy but I'm sure no one will notice that in the polls. How many times does Georgia get to prove they aren't that good before being dropped in the polls? My top 25: Oklahoma LSU USC West Virginia Louisville Florida Texas Cal Rutgers Penn State Wisconsin UCLA Ohio State Nebraska Washington Georgia Tech Tennessee S. Florida Oregon Arizona St. Missouri Cincinnati Boston College South Carolina Mich St.

His run defense has been giving up tons of yards so I haven't seen that great or even average defense yet. Rutgers is now getting all the Jersey and Florida kids we used to get and the area kids are still leaving. I'm sick of winning recruiting battles with Northeastern or Hofstra and not even being mentioned by any 4 or 5 star kids. Maybe you can fire him and bring back Major Applewhite, imo he is going to be one of the next greats. Of course and the one to replace Mack Brown some day. Applewhite was a very good recruiter and I doubt he'll ever come here as head coach. He was either lost or battled with the OC coach when he was here and it was a big mess. Again, I really think Robinson was/is overwhelmed and that led to the debacle that is our offense.

His run defense has been giving up tons of yards so I haven't seen that great or even average defense yet. Rutgers is now getting all the Jersey and Florida kids we used to get and the area kids are still leaving. I'm sick of winning recruiting battles with Northeastern or Hofstra and not even being mentioned by any 4 or 5 star kids.