CuseCubFan69

The Cubs game is on WGN tonight. It is...thanks! I saw the CST and thought it was the other channel the Cubs are usually on.

Oh good...another game not on TV. I sure hope the Sox are on to add to the fun.

That he really is the anti-Cub? The weather acting strange and I think I saw a swarm of locus the other day. Could it be true?

that's a very good point. I agree. I really do have a lot of faith in Lou and hopefully he'll help Hendry see the light. If the Soriano signing is an indication, you will be sorely disappointed. Poor timing and planning by Hendry forced him to over pay for Soriano. I like Al, not at that price, but I like the guy and he's a good player but Hendry's lack of vision has hurt this team that could have been a very good, well rounded ballclub.

Do I still want them to make the playoffs. Heck yes.

The Cubs hitters walked 10 times? Hey, baby steps towards taking some pitches and getting a better OBP!

If Hendry was dead set on getting a vet starting pitcher, I wonder what was available and at what cost?

The pitcher out smarted Lee in this battle, I tip my cap to him and will be ready for the next AB!

Ja ja ja Geo...jajaja Geo pet.

The goal is to have him hit some hard foul balls at the good Astro players when their in the dugout. Yea there really is no reasoning behind him starting, except for Lous "experience" infatuation. Murton(I know here comes the Murton Fan Club crap) goes 2-4 against a righty(Morris) on Sunday and then doesnt get to play again for the next 2 days so far. Floyd's got karma working for him.

Well, maybe a little stop in Albany will help you recover a little quicker?

The goal is to have him hit some hard foul balls at the good Astro players when their in the dugout.

I know Cedeno isn't a good bet to do anything more than 0-4. But even if you're just trying to clear Theriot's head, it's going to be worth it. He's been brutal for a while now. It's too bad DeRosa couldn't play SS one game and put Fontinant (sp) at 2nd.

Then BC should go back to the Big East and Temple can go to the ACC. Oh, and Miami of Ohio can go to the Big 10 and Penn State goes back to the East. See, it opens up a can of worms doing that.

Making your boss look like a fool is a tough sell. I realize it's for the good of the team but this is a sticky situation imo. I don't see how skipping Trachsel makes Hendry look like a fool. Hendry makes Hendry look like a fool. Trachsel pitching makes Hendry look like a fool. Lou deciding he's seen enough of Mr. Experience makes Hendry look like the guy who hired the right manager. I can't argue with you there as I agree but....I'm just not sure how that would play.

They're doing the Marlin thing. Win....trade your players....lose and get a couple of high picks and build the minors up and then win again. Who'd they trade? From the WS team, Iguchi, Rowand, Garcia, McCarthy, Duque, Cotts, Marte, and a good deal more since then as well. Not exactly like the Marlins have done it (CWS payroll has gone up and stayed up since winning), but a significant amount of turnover nonetheless. True, not quite the tear down the Marlins went through but as you said, pretty good turnover indeed.

Well that equates to a 4.50 ERA and a good amount of pitchers do better than a 4.50 ERA. Not sure what you mean by "do better than the 6/3 QS". What I'm simply asking is. What percentage of starting pitchers have a 6 inning 3 run line or better game? If it's a low percentage than it might be considered a qualty start. I realize that a 4.50 ERA is that that good and that giving up 2 runs should be a quality start and 3 should be called something else but as I wrote, I wonder what percentage of games have starting pitchers keep the other team from scoring more than 3 runs in 6 innings?

Making your boss look like a fool is a tough sell. I realize it's for the good of the team but this is a sticky situation imo.

What are you talking about? Trachsel's last start only looks good because Lou kept him in for the 6th. He had given up 3 runs in 5 innings, and the 1,2,3 6th inning is the only reason that 4.50 ERA/1.33 WHIP outing looks any good at all. but this is where it goes a little far. why does inning 'not matter' in a discussion about relief pitching, but it does matter in a discussion about starting pitching? I personally don't think the start was good period. the bottom qualifier for a 'QS' doesn't make the start good. but the bottom line is that he pitched six innings and allowed three runs and the bottom line is he went 1, 2, 3 in that inning. you can't pluck out a good inning and throw it away to cast the start as worse than it was, as I am sure you wouldn't let someone say 'throw out the fifth to declare it better than it was. What in the world are you talking about? Backtobanks said Trachsel's last outing was pretty good, but would have been very good if Lou didn't send him back out to try and get a win. Had he not gone out for that last inning, it would have been a 5 inning 3 ER game. As it stands, it was 6/3, which qualifies as "quality" but isn't all that good in my book. Where are you getting innings not mattering from? And what is going too far? My question is, how many pitchers do better than the 6 inning 3 run QS? I think if the number is low than maybe it can be considered a quality start.

So if Z is an Ace does that make Traschel the joker? Z has the potential do be dominant every time he goes out there. Hey Saber dudes, numbers wise who's been more productive, Lilly or Z?

When I started this thread, I didn't think there would be all of this discussion over semantics. My point is that Lilly has been the best Cub starter all year, has been the starter to break all of the losing streaks, and continues to be the pitcher who gives the Cubs the best chance to win games this year. To me, that defines the "ace" of a staff. I'm not talking about next year, who has the best stuff, his flyball ratio, or whether he would be the "ace" on other teams. Oh come on now Btb....if you said the sky looked blue you'd get a nice little semantic debate about what shade of blue! Anyone who knows anything, knows the sky is: Teal 12% of the time "Sky Blue" ironically only 8% Aqua 9% Midnight Blue 7% Black 32.6% various shades of the red/orange/yellow families 4% others 25.3% of the other categories "blue" constitutes less than 1% my knowledge of the subject is so far superior to those of you who observe with a crayola 8-pack mind. I see the full 256 crayon box. you are now on ignore Very good MrWood.

When I started this thread, I didn't think there would be all of this discussion over semantics. My point is that Lilly has been the best Cub starter all year, has been the starter to break all of the losing streaks, and continues to be the pitcher who gives the Cubs the best chance to win games this year. To me, that defines the "ace" of a staff. I'm not talking about next year, who has the best stuff, his flyball ratio, or whether he would be the "ace" on other teams. Oh come on now Btb....if you said the sky looked blue you'd get a nice little semantic debate about what shade of blue!

They're doing the Marlin thing. Win....trade your players....lose and get a couple of high picks and build the minors up and then win again.

I'm not sure that I'd plug Hart into the rotation either.

I want to thank all of you that put so much time and effort into the minor league thread. I and I'm sure many others really appreciated it! Thanks!