15 walks through 70+ IP isn't average. So I guess walks is the only way to judge if a pitcher is average or not no, but http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=lillyte01&t=p&year=2007 shows he has been better than average for 8/11 starts and on his cumulative year stats. I wasnt saying one way or the other, but to say just because he had only walked 15 people he wasnt average seemed pretty silly to me.