Nah, I just don't wanna get into it. It's the same reason Kyle got scared off MR and didn't finish his argument. You can write 2 page long winded arguments, but you're not going to change another fan base's opinion. Especially a fan as dumb as you seem to me. It's pointless. I'll leave on this note though. You guys seem to like Hammel here, so even if you think Niese is as good. I am pretty sure you would want Hammel if he was 27 years old, a lefty, and was under team control for the next 5 years for extremely cheap (8 mil a year...compared to guys like Arroyo and Nolasco who are making 10-13 mil). Sounds pretty appealing to me. Niese isn't under control for five more years, and if you keep him all four with the Club options, he costs you $9.25m per year and not $8m. L2math