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Nah, I just don't wanna get into it. It's the same reason Kyle got scared off MR and didn't finish his argument. You can write 2 page long winded arguments, but you're not going to change another fan base's opinion. Especially a fan as dumb as you seem to me. It's pointless. I'll leave on this note though. You guys seem to like Hammel here, so even if you think Niese is as good. I am pretty sure you would want Hammel if he was 27 years old, a lefty, and was under team control for the next 5 years for extremely cheap (8 mil a year...compared to guys like Arroyo and Nolasco who are making 10-13 mil). Sounds pretty appealing to me.

And if you're going to call someone dumb (which I highly encourage), please back it up with, you know, an argument of some kind. Kind of obvious isn't it? That's twice he's used a 3 month sample to compare two pitchers.

Is Tim always this dumb? Jesus christ.

Oh yea, I agree with you. I would rather have a top 10 hitting prospect over a top 10 pitching prospect all day. If for no other reason than the success rate of hitting prospects is much better than pitching prospects. BUT that also doesn't mean pitching isn't valuable. Kyle when he was on MR and a lot of you here seem to think good pitchers grow on trees and the Cubs will just pluck 2 or three and magically become good with their hitters. The Cubs are in tremendous shape right now with all of their young hitters, but you can't possibly think they don't need pitching. Same with the Mets, we are in great shape with pitching, but we have absolutely no shot unless we get at least 2 legit hitters. And on that note, I am out.

How so? Niese is two years younger and their numbers are not that far off. 2014: Shark: 2.3 bWAR, 3.02 FIP, 141 ERA+ Niese: 1.7 bWAR, 3.62 FIP, 118 ERA+ Right, everyone knows Samardzija is having a career year. I can use the same logic to say Niese is better than Strasburg 2014: Niese: 1.7 bWAR, 3.62 FIP, 118 ERA+ Strasburg: 0.7 bWAR, 3.28 FRO, 107 ERA+ Samardzija is 2 years older and just had the best three months of his career. You can't just look at 2014. I like a lot of the Mets pitchers, so don't take me as a hater. But Niese has had 47 good starts in his life. :? He's currently on a streak of 21 consecutive game pitched without giving up more than 3 ER. Guy is very underrated. I never even said he is better than Samardzija or as good. I said he is more comparable to him than Hammel, as the other guy suggested.

How so? Niese is two years younger and their numbers are not that far off. 2014: Shark: 2.3 bWAR, 3.02 FIP, 141 ERA+ Niese: 1.7 bWAR, 3.62 FIP, 118 ERA+ Right, everyone knows Samardzija is having a career year. I can use the same logic to say Niese is better than Strasburg 2014: Niese: 1.7 bWAR, 3.62 FIP, 118 ERA+ Strasburg: 0.7 bWAR, 3.28 FRO, 107 ERA+ Samardzija is 2 years older and just had the best three months of his career. You can't just look at 2014.

How so? Niese is two years younger and their numbers are not that far off.

Considering the Cubs just got a top 5 prospect for a couple of rental pitchers shows you that teams still highly value pitching. Haha you are undervaluing Niese by a lot. Samardzija is a much better comp for him than a guy like Hammel who you randomly picked up. He is under team control until 2019. We have a cheap team options on him for 2017, 2018. Young lefty who's cost controlled for a while is a huge asset. Harvey was a top 5 pitcher in baseball before he got hurt. He put up a 6 WAR last year despite missing a month and a half. Considering the success rate of TJ these days, he's the last person I'm worried about. Won't comment on Degrom and Wheeler. Small sample size, but they're both awesome from what we've seen so far. Syndergaard is pitching in the PCL. Vegas is one of the best hitters parks in the minors. We all expected him to struggle at first. Plus he's battled through some nagging injuries. Despite that, his peripherals are great. He's striking out batters, not giving up HRs and hitting upper 90s on the gun. One bad month in the PCL won't take away from the fact that he's a top 10 prospect.

So because so the big bad TJ boogeyman, pitching is no longer valuable?

You don't think the Mets have good young pitching? Even if you want to foolishly disregard Harvey and Syndergaard, they have 4 other guys who have already had success in the majors and are under control until 2020. Wheeler Niese Gee Degrom Plus 2 more top 100 pitching prospects in Rafael Montero and Steven Matz. So all in all you're looking at: Harvey Wheeler Syndergaard Niese Degrom Gee Montero Matz Why wouldn't we be excited? :S

Mets fan here. I figured you guys would want to see some Mets fans perspectives on a potential trade between the Mets and Cubs. It seems like they're perfect trade partners. Both in bad shape right now, but both have something to look forward to in the future (the Cubs with all their hitting prospects, Mets with the young pitchers). Thought it would be interesting to see some Cubs fans viewpoints if they eventually start discussing a deal, which they probably will at some point. http://www.metsrefugees.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103050 http://www.metsrefugees.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103023 http://www.metsrefugees.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101136