What stat would you like to use that shows him as a horrible starting pitcher worthy of the hate he gets? We could use his team expected win-loss from last season, which was 16.1-16.9. Or his peripheral ERA of 4.33 (don't have the numbers for this season, otherwise I would use them, apologies). He's not a horrible starting pitcher, and I defy anyone to post some real, statistical evidence that says he is. i posted in the game thread that his peripherals are all ugly this year, and he's likely to get worse. his K-rate is down, his LD% against is up, and he's given up home runs on 50% fewer fly balls than normal this season. yikes. His peripheral ERA, according to fangraphs, was 4.50 going into today, just .07 above his actual ERA.