Hitting a ground ball to 2B or SS, and sometimes even 3B and 1B wouldn't score the run as well? I'd argue there are no numbers to support your side of the argument either. That is the beauty of it all. Striking out guarantees you that no advance or runs can be scored. So, putting the ball in play gives you a better chance than striking out. Therefore, more times than not putting the ball in play will give you a better chance of success than striking out. I'm not really trying to prove anything. I'm simply asking for the number to support your statement. Putting the ball in play also, more times than not (as related to strikeouts) will lead to more than one out at a time. Here are some numbers to support his statement. Striking out with runner on 3rd = 0 % chance of runner scoring Putting the ball into play with runner on 3rd = >0 % chance that runner will score from 3rd. :lol: Prime example of a strikeout being worse than a regular vanilla out, was last night when Cedeno was batting with runners on 1st and 3rd and only 1 out. If Cedeno makes contact the worst thing that could happen to him is that he would ground into a double play and the inning is over. (Big deal the pitcher was coming up next) I'm sure most people would rather take the odds that Ronnie would either beat out a double play or get a SF than having him strikeout and leaving it up to Marshall to get the runner home. So Cedeno grounds into a double play vs. Marshall making the out? I'll take the K-at least it made the pitcher throw 5-6 more pitches and allowed for the pitcher to not begin the next inning as the 1 hitter. Actually striking out with the runner on 3rd=>0% chance, that is, if the catcher drops the third strike. You also didn't mention the number of outs, the situation, and where the ball would be put in play. Like I wrote earlier, all things being equal-sure, take the guy who puts the ball in play. But the point is that it really makes so little difference as to be almost completely insignificant. You would rather that a guy strikeout, leaving the pitcher to bat than have him put the ball in play and take your chances with less outs? Of his outs, Cedeno has GIDP 2.8% of the time this year. My guess is that most people would rather take their chances that it would have been one of the 97.2% outs or a hit rather than see him whiff and leave the pitcher to drive in the run. Ronnie needed to put the ball in play last night.