yes, truly, cuse deserves all the credit for imb's work. without his baseless assertion, imb's research would never exist. =D> Silly sarcasm aside, isn't this the nature of scientific research? Someone has a theorem, they don't know if its true, research is done to either prove the theorem true or false. What IMB did was necessary to actually come to some level of resolution to the debate. Relying upon the idea that "it sounds baseless, so it must be wrong" doesn't exactly seem like a reliable way of actually, I don't know, proving something. pick up a scientific journal and see how many submissions you can find that are just people throwing out baseless hypotheses, asking people to either disprove or support them. Actually, scientific journals are FULL of observed phenomenon that are either (a.) proven to be true through experimentation or (b.) proven to be false through experimentation. Its the nature of the scientific method. dear world, i think gravity might exist or something. you guys figure it out and let me know. love, isaac Wow. Proved me wrong. Sarcasm and ridicule proves a point better than discussion ever could, apparently. a. Cuse had an observation b. IMB did research to disprove his observation c. The truth was discovered Seems pretty simple to me, and really not nearly as contentious and in need of pointless ridicule and silly sarcasm as you think. What, exactly, is gained by taking shots at Cuse (and me, apparently) because he had an observation that differed from yours? His theory was proven false-isn't that enough? Or does everyone somehow benefit by taking shots at others after the fact? cuse had a completely unsubstantiated argument which he continually advocated to be true on the basis of nothing. attempting to shift the conversation to something along the lines of "hey, you're just rubbing it in his face" is a waste of time. the fact that imb did all this hard work gives cuse's thoughts more credence than they deserved. if he, or anyone else, wants to advocate a position as extreme as his, there needs to be some modicum of evidence behind it. hopefully imb's rebuttal will serve as a reminder that it's important not to trust your eyes and to try to prove things if you want people to believe them. unfortunately, i'm sure it will only lead to people saying, "well, if i'm wrong, imb or someone will come in with evidence to show me."