Actually, this team lost primarily because it pitched poorly, but its deficiency in getting on base was a huge problem. you're partially right. although i believe that we pitched well enough to give the team a chance to win if we could have just gotten on base more often. Our starting pitchers ERA has gone from 3.69 (2003), to 3.72 (2004), to 4.19 (2005), and in that same period our OBP's were .323 (2003, .328 (2004), and .324 (2005). So our ability to get on base hasn't changed much, while our starting pitching was horrible last year. It just so happens that last year we failed to compete at all. Don't get me wrong, we're in agreement that the plate discipline of this team is atrocious. I just feel that our pitching is the issue which caused us so much grief last year. The fact that Cubs management cannot grasp the concept of OBP, and how it relates to runs, or how to wisely spend money is a whole different issue. No it's very relevant. If you are gonna argue that the team needs better pitching, you have to point out that they walked too many hitters. 5th in the majors is BAA, but walked the 7th most hitters. For a team that again led the planet in K's from their pitchers, walking hitters is just a bad idea. If guys can't make contact, don't help them out by walking them. I never argued for better pitching. I said that our pitching was what hurt us most last year. It was obviously due to injury. In addition I don't understand how what you said relates to my point. What is relevant? The issue of what hurt us most last year, and the issue of Cubs management failing to see how to improve this teams offense are completely seperate. i would argue that it wasn't the pitching that hurt us most, it was lack of runs scored, despite our high average. the pitching was middle of the pack. not great, not horrible. despite having so many injuries, our pitching still had us in a position going into august to compete for the wc. if our ability to get on base wasn't so terrible, we could have actually done something.