Magnetic Curses

ah, you beat me to it.

dude, that is the most insane thing i've ever heard, and rush has been saying insane things for a long time.

we hardly knew ye. wait a minute, we knew too much about ye.

Hopefully for your sake the Seton Hall game doesn't go into OT. :) i'm in fondy and i'm pretty sure i'm getting the game. the only way to set the world back on it's feet would be to beat the hoosiers in bloomington. that would be sweet.

Just an awful game. I'm embarassed that I actually was able to see this game tonight. Once again, we need something much more than jump shooters. When they go cold, they go ice cold. paxson better be on the horn getting gasol as we speak.

since alvarez took over, they've been recruiting kids that fit their system. they realize they probably won't get a lot of gulf kids or california kids to fill skill positions so they get the big road-graders up front and base their team on size and strength. doing this probably won't allow them to compete with the faster SEC schools for the national championship year in and year out, but it will allow them to compete for the Big Ten title perrenially. If I'm not mistaken, the only Big Ten school that spends less money recruiting than Wisconsin , is Northwestern. makes sense. i don't think that either school really leaves the midwest very much in terms of recruiting.

since alvarez took over, they've been recruiting kids that fit their system. they realize they probably won't get a lot of gulf kids or california kids to fill skill positions so they get the big road-graders up front and base their team on size and strength. doing this probably won't allow them to compete with the faster SEC schools for the national championship year in and year out, but it will allow them to compete for the Big Ten title perrenially.

Hardy probably is going to be a future number 2 hitter with his contact abilities. He probably could hit you 15-20HR and bat around .300 year after year. He is going to be a really solid ss for years to come. so far, it looks like hardy's just a guy. the term "contact abilities" is virtually meaningless. he hasn't come close to .300 in his first 2 seasons, i understand he was injured, but he looks like nothing special. certainly nothing worth playing hall out of position for.

your strange and pointless micro-analysis does little to shed light on the issue, here.

he's on par with those QB's, all of whom except losman have played in a pro-bowl or will do so soon. that's what your stats show. or mcnair? (whom i don't see how he's not anywhere close to) but i won't do anything of the sort until you address the point that grossman couldn't rely on 1 or 2 receivers and had to spread the ball around. i'd bet that his top 2 recievers had a lesser percentage of his total yardage than any of those other QBs. that's not exactly the "best situation". Well, first for McNair, one has to put the almost 700 yards rushing and 8 TD's into the equation-that changes it significantly, which is why I give McNair the edge there. Several other of these QB's had to spread the ball around as well-I'll use the Chargers for example-they spread the ball around about as much as the Bears did this year. Top 2 receivers statistically for the Bears: 51.3% of Grossman's yards Top 2 for the Chargers: 46.7% of Rivers yards That's the first one I looked up, so there definitely could be more. i think the bears should cut rex for not having the best offensive player in the game lining up behind him. Tomlinson's both a great thing and a bad thing for Rivers-he gets plenty of yardage for him, but he also took a lot of the easy TD's away from Rivers-many more than the Bears RB's did. now you're just reaching. I don't have to reach-Rivers had much better numbers. You were reaching that it was because of Tomlinson that he did have it when I pointed out there were both positives and negatives to that. Grossman had a hot start to the season-the opponents mostly adjusted to take away the bomb, and Grossman simply has not proven that he can keep from turning the ball over conistently against a defense that is preventing the bomb. He has had a few good games since then with many bad. As I said, since week 5 he has had 13 TDs and turned the ball over 27 times. Can he develop into throwing the short pass consistantly ? I hope so, but history says that I should be skeptical of that. nobody is arguing that rex had a great year. but arguing that he cannot develop is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. maybe i just don't understand the parallels you are making, other than pointing out that he appears similar to many other young QB's at his stage of development what are you trying to say, either apparentky or inadvertantly? how does history say that you should "be skeptical of that"?

he's on par with those QB's, all of whom except losman have played in a pro-bowl or will do so soon. that's what your stats show. or mcnair? (whom i don't see how he's not anywhere close to) but i won't do anything of the sort until you address the point that grossman couldn't rely on 1 or 2 receivers and had to spread the ball around. i'd bet that his top 2 recievers had a lesser percentage of his total yardage than any of those other QBs. that's not exactly the "best situation". Well, first for McNair, one has to put the almost 700 yards rushing and 8 TD's into the equation-that changes it significantly, which is why I give McNair the edge there. Several other of these QB's had to spread the ball around as well-I'll use the Chargers for example-they spread the ball around about as much as the Bears did this year. Top 2 receivers statistically for the Bears: 51.3% of Grossman's yards Top 2 for the Chargers: 46.7% of Rivers yards That's the first one I looked up, so there definitely could be more. i think the bears should cut rex for not having the best offensive player in the game lining up behind him. Tomlinson's both a great thing and a bad thing for Rivers-he gets plenty of yardage for him, but he also took a lot of the easy TD's away from Rivers-many more than the Bears RB's did. now you're just reaching.

he's on par with those QB's, all of whom except losman have played in a pro-bowl or will do so soon. that's what your stats show. or mcnair? (whom i don't see how he's not anywhere close to) but i won't do anything of the sort until you address the point that grossman couldn't rely on 1 or 2 receivers and had to spread the ball around. i'd bet that his top 2 recievers had a lesser percentage of his total yardage than any of those other QBs. that's not exactly the "best situation". Well, first for McNair, one has to put the almost 700 yards rushing and 8 TD's into the equation-that changes it significantly, which is why I give McNair the edge there. Several other of these QB's had to spread the ball around as well-I'll use the Chargers for example-they spread the ball around about as much as the Bears did this year. Top 2 receivers statistically for the Bears: 51.3% of Grossman's yards Top 2 for the Chargers: 46.7% of Rivers yards That's the first one I looked up, so there definitely could be more. i think the bears should cut rex for not having the best offensive player in the game lining up behind him.

he's on par with those QB's, all of whom except losman have played in a pro-bowl or will do so soon. that's what your stats show. or mcnair? (whom i don't see how he's not anywhere close to) but i won't do anything of the sort until you address the point that grossman couldn't rely on 1 or 2 receivers and had to spread the ball around. i'd bet that his top 2 recievers had a lesser percentage of his total yardage than any of those other QBs. that's not exactly the "best situation".

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim. Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia. Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense. while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio? That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed. so, instead of keeping in my mind what other good stocks have been in the beginning the bears should just panic and sell after the stock has performed reasonably well in it's first full year? For being not a rookie when he started, Grossman was really bad in his first full year. Most QB's who come in their second or third year do better than Grossman's performance this year-he's already behind the curve a little bit. name some of them for me. and for the sake of your argument, leave out the great ones. I'm just going to put all the QB's stats that started after their first year that was also a starter this year: (there aren't all that many of them I do believe): Tony Romo: 65.3%, 2903 yards, 8.6 Y/A, 19TD/13INT, Rush: 102 Garcia: 60.0, 2544 yards, 6.8 Y/A, 11TD/11INT, Rush: 221, 2 TD Pennington: 68.9%, 3120 yards, 7.8 Y/A, 22TD/6INT, Rush: 49, 1 TD McNair: 52%, 2665 yards, 6.4 Y/A, 14TD/13INT, Rush: 674, 8 TD Bulger: 63.2%, 3845 yards, 7.2 Y/A, 22TD/22INT, Rush: 75, 4 TD Losman: 62.5%, 3051 yards, 7.1 Y/A, 19TD/14INT, Rush: 140, 1 TD Rivers: 61.7%, 3388 yards, 7.4 Y/A, 22TD/9INT, Rush: 49 Ok, I'm going to stop there-there were more than I thought for sure! There are still a few more, including Brady, Delhomme, and others, but this should give us a good list. Here's Grossman: 54.6%, 3193 yards, 6.7 Y/A, 23TD/20INT, Rush: 2 His passing stats line up fine with McNair, but McNair as seen by the rushing yards was primarily a rushing QB. Grossman is definitely behind in his first year, especially in completion percentage. looks like he threw more TDs than any of those guys, actually. so the only real stat you're looking for is completion percentage? if grossman had the recivers that those guys did he might be around that percentage. wow, he threw less interceptions and more touchdowns than bulger? with those receivers? that's impressive. i just don't see how he doesn't stack up to those guys.--especially since rex spread the ball around to many different players and didn't rely on one or 2 great ones. btw- brady's lucky he got a chance with the patriots and delhomme was thought so highly of after being given the starting job in new orleans that he was cut and ended up in NFL europe (in short, he developed), so probably not a good comparison. your research doesn't really support your hypothesis, except the fact that rex needs to improve his completion percentage, and he will.

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim. Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia. Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense. while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio? That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed. so, instead of keeping in my mind what other good stocks have been in the beginning the bears should just panic and sell after the stock has performed reasonably well in it's first full year? For being not a rookie when he started, Grossman was really bad in his first full year. Most QB's who come in their second or third year do better than Grossman's performance this year-he's already behind the curve a little bit. name some of them for me. and for the sake of your argument, leave out the great ones.

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim. Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia. That's true-of course, that's also a big gamble to bet on his improvement IMO. why would it be a gamble? why are some people acting like a QB should just be a plug and play right out of the box? again, the drew brees example should speak to everyone. rex is a similar height with a much better arm. How long are you willing to wait? Sure, this is his first full season-but it is also his 4th season overall. Maybe Grossman will develop later than most QB's because of his injuries, but his injuries also have to be factored in as possible problems. so, a freak acl tear and a player laying on rex's leg while twisting his body the opposite way makes rex injury prone? i'm not sure if you saw the injuries or what, but it's not like he's sitting out with the hiccups here. these are 2 major injuries, and forget the fact that he got absolutely smacked around in a few games this season. now you're just being dishonest with yourself. you measure success against the amount of starts a QB makes. add in there the fact that rex has had 3 different offensive coordinators in that time, and you can start to understand,. "improve" is just a nother word for "develop", so, just substitute it out.

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim. again, garcia is 37-years old. no thanks. grossman just had the 2nd best year in bears history. relatively speaking, beras fans should be begging for more grossman. To be honest, that's like saying that the Cubs need more Dusty Baker because he gave them back to back winning seasons for the first time in 40 years-it still wasn't very good. so you want to pretend like the most important position on the football field is comparable to what a baseball manager does? that's one of the owrst analogies i've heard. and he was better than the QB on the best team in bears history. And the Bears have a long rich history when it comes to QB's. oh, i forgot all about that! yes, we all know about the bears lack of QB history. but seriously, that's part of the point, bears fans wouldn't know a QB if he kicked them in the crotch. if we want rex to succeed, the bears will have to make a long-term commitment to him.

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim. Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia. Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense. while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio? That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed. so, instead of keeping in my mind what other good stocks have been in the beginning the bears should just panic and sell after the stock has performed reasonably well in it's first full year?

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim. again, garcia is 37-years old. no thanks. grossman just had the 2nd best year in bears history. relatively speaking, beras fans should be begging for more grossman. To be honest, that's like saying that the Cubs need more Dusty Baker because he gave them back to back winning seasons for the first time in 40 years-it still wasn't very good. so you want to pretend like the most important position on the football field is comparable to what a baseball manager does? that's one of the owrst analogies i've heard. and he was better than the QB on the best team in bears history.

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim. Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia. That's true-of course, that's also a big gamble to bet on his improvement IMO. why would it be a gamble? why are some people acting like a QB should just be a plug and play right out of the box? again, the drew brees example should speak to everyone. rex is a similar height with a much better arm.

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim. Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia. Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense. while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio?

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim. again, garcia is 37-years old. no thanks. grossman just had the 2nd best year in bears history. relatively speaking, beras fans should be begging for more grossman.

last I checked, we dont run the West Coast.... Is Turners O a derivative of the west coast? I didnt think it was turner's offense is pretty much conventional west coast.

what would worry me is management prematurely giving up a on a kid after his first full season in the NFL, in which they were in the super bowl... if the bears didn't have such a good year, grossman would have probably flown under the radar and been allowed a proper amount of time to develop. he's a victim of the team's success, a tea, that he was an integral part for 10-11 games. nah, let someone else shell out big bucks for a 37-year old QB whom nobody really wanted until the last few games of the season.

hendry has gone out of his way many times to state that wood will be in the bullpen the entire year. they will then go from there.