Magnetic Curses

in this instance, yes. floyd and murton have virtually the same isod. but when comparing players with much different isods, pa 's work better. i prefer to use them in every circumstance, ab's are often used to mean pa's, but that's not what they are. That I know, but when I saw walks were essentially the same, I didn't want to take the time to look them up. :) right on. i know what you mean.

Why are you citing what is essentially a meaningless stat? It has no predictive value and only tells you how lucky the hitter has been in the past. Meaningless to you, not to me. I like guys who hit well with men on base. Murton's BA with RISP has been much worse than his BA for his entire MLB career. That siad, I support Matt to play in front of Floyd. I like his hot bat now. it's meaningless because, as a general rule, a player's BA w/risp naturally gravitates towards his total ba over the course of his career. i like guys who hit well with runners on base, too. but those same guys are those that hit well in any situation: close and late, blowouts early, full moon, saturnalia, fourth of july, etc. murton's career ops w/risp is below his career ops, but not ridiculously below. given enough pa's that number will come up and run consistent with his career averages. define "ridiculous". The numbers are very significant, both career and this year. no, they're not, considering the relatively short career that murton has had, 661 total pas. not even accounting for his sparse use this season and his inconsitent deployment in the lineup. .277/.374/.384 to .303/.370/.462 not very significant at all. his numbers are down this season, but that can be attributed to his schizophrenic utililization--and that usually means that they'll be up next season, or the season after that.--given proper time and pa's.

in this instance, yes. floyd and murton have virtually the same isod. but when comparing players with much different isods, pa 's work better. i prefer to use them in every circumstance, ab's are often used to mean pa's, but that's not what they are.

Why are you citing what is essentially a meaningless stat? It has no predictive value and only tells you how lucky the hitter has been in the past. Meaningless to you, not to me. I like guys who hit well with men on base. Murton's BA with RISP has been much worse than his BA for his entire MLB career. That siad, I support Matt to play in front of Floyd. I like his hot bat now. it's meaningless because, as a general rule, a player's BA w/risp naturally gravitates towards his total ba over the course of his career. i like guys who hit well with runners on base, too. but those same guys are those that hit well in any situation: close and late, blowouts early, full moon, saturnalia, fourth of july, etc. murton's career ops w/risp is below his career ops, but not ridiculously below. given enough pa's that number will come up and run consistent with his career averages.

what are the sample sizes here? comparing murton's handful of plate appearances to floyd's wealth of them doesn't exactly paint an accurate picture. 190 ab's for Murton and 243 for Floyd. These are season totals, not rightie splits...... 04/02 - 09/02 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS BABIP Murton 190 27 52 9 0 6 79 17 21 29 0.274 0.346 0.416 0.762 0.297 Floyd 244 32 69 9 0 5 93 39 24 42 0.283 0.354 0.381 0.735 0.325 That is correct. Listen, fellas, you can't have it both ways. You can't use stats to support your arguments, then shy away from them when they don't support your arguments. I said I think Murton should be playing in front of Floyd, but the stats against righties don't necessarily support that. Neither does BA with RISP. and we're saying that the small sample size disallows a judgement to be made one way or another with any degree of significance. ba w/risp? unicorn stat.

what are the sample sizes here? comparing murton's handful of plate appearances to floyd's wealth of them doesn't exactly paint an accurate picture. 190 ab's for Murton and 243 for Floyd. that's what i get for speaking without looking. Floyd has 100 more ab's against righties than Murton i know, i wish i wasn't so lazy. but i posted as much above. thanks, though. one thing, not trying to be smarmy or anything, but i hate the term "AB". "PA" is much better. AB doesn't catch walks, hbp, or sacs, which can add up throughout the course of season.

what are the sample sizes here? comparing murton's handful of plate appearances to floyd's wealth of them doesn't exactly paint an accurate picture. 190 ab's for Murton and 243 for Floyd. These are season totals, not rightie splits...... 04/02 - 09/02 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS BABIP Murton 190 27 52 9 0 6 79 17 21 29 0.274 0.346 0.416 0.762 0.297 Floyd 244 32 69 9 0 5 93 39 24 42 0.283 0.354 0.381 0.735 0.325 actually, after looking, floyd has over 100 more plate appearnces against righties than does murton.

what are the sample sizes here? comparing murton's handful of plate appearances to floyd's wealth of them doesn't exactly paint an accurate picture. 190 ab's for Murton and 243 for Floyd. that's what i get for speaking without looking.

what are the sample sizes here? comparing murton's handful of plate appearances to floyd's wealth of them doesn't exactly paint an accurate picture.

oh, i think it's easy to say that benn is better than mizzou's TE's as well. benn was consistently open down the field and routinely ignored, particularly on illinois' last offensive play. when he was thrown the ball, he was truly a man among boys. i don't really believe that he's 18 years old. i'm not just talking about his performance at the game, but his ability and the probability of what he will do this season. pig brown? his 15 minutes are likely up. right place, right time. nice little interception at the end, there, but not even close to the best defensive player on his own team. if you really want to talk defensive backs, vontae davis, plz. pig's name DOES bring up fond memories of the movie mad max: beyond thunderdome, though. i believe that pig brown was the name of the fuel that the city ran on. as for leman, it was widely speculated that the spread would neutralize him, but it didn't. he can only be so many places at once, though.

Why? I don't understand why. because trachsel is not good. that's why. i don't think marshall is good, either. i'd look to deal him in the offseason to make room for gallagher. get something for him while he still has some perceived value. i don't see a future for marshall in the cub organization. if trachsel can finish up with around a 4 run era, i think the deal works out. i'm really lukewarm about the trade. i'm not at all excited about it, but i'm not outraged.

Ridiculous? I think Mizzou is solid, but I don't see immense talent oozing from them. Illinois' talent is very raw, but I think there is more of it. Yes, I think it's ridiculous. I think this year's Mizzou team is much more talented than this year's Illinois team. We have probably the best TE tandem in the nation, an outstanding QB, and some very solid WRs, along with (the very inconsistent -- stop dancing and hit the hole!) Tony Temple. Our offense has the potential to be in the top 10 in the nation. The defense is still a question mark, but I think the pieces are there. I'm not trying to get into a big U of I/Mizzou argument here, because U of I impressed me in a lot of aspects today and I think we were very fortunate to get out of there with the W, but I think over the course of the season, Mizzou will show they are a lot better than they showed today and U of I will struggle a bit. Maybe that'll be different in a couple of years, but I don't think it will be this year. i don't think it's ridiculous to make that assumption at all. illinois could have easily won the game with a freshman qb leading the way. 1. mendenhall is far superior to temple--yes, shard would have run for over 1,000 last year if he wasn't splitting carries with thomas. just ask moore about it, if there ever were a posterization in football..... 2. right now, benn is better than any wr that missouri has, period. 3. juice was on his way to a good day when he went down. mcgee showed just how talented he is and what kind of insurance policy the illini have if anything like that happens again. 4. talk about fumbles and questionable play calling, i'm still scratching my head as to why mcgee was running a sneak so far from the end zone when he just zipped a perfect slant route 2 plays before. 5. leman was the best defensive player on the field on saturday at the most important position. i'd say that they were pretty evenly matched, but i'd give the overall talent nod to illinois, who won't have to wait a couple of years to mature. they'll win plenty of games this season and they'll be in a bowl. illinois didn't need the win, they weren't expected to do it. there's no pressure on them and they flashed enough talent to scare people in the big ten.

Like I said, youthful mistakes. Illinois is clearly the more talented team. How in the world do you figure that? I'll give credit where credit is due, because you guys played a good game. But is shouldn't have been that close. And someone tell that backup QB to stop crying. How embarrassing! oh, gee, thanks, what a bunch of credit where it is due. i guess that a freshman qb leading the illini back in the second half isn't very impressive. if juice plays, the illini win. no, mizzou was damn lucky to escape that game with a win. illinois is a more talented, though younger, team. and you've never seen a player cry after a loss? your post is an idiot.

I could not agree more. The last few years Cubs fans seem like they can't help but boo even the most inconsequential things, and it keeps getting worse. If we don't want to be viewed as Lovable Losers that's fine (good, in fact), but it doesn't mean we have to be Ignorant Idiots, or Philly fans. i think uecker is a good guy, but i think it's awesome that he got booed and the fans sang the stretch the right way. he deserved to get booed, and he knows it. ask him.

he could have sang: "you can root root root for the cubbies, and i'll do the same for the crew. he put the brewers before the cubs, in the part that's traditionally designated for the "cubbies". that would have avoided some of the backlash.

uecker knew he was going to get booed for it, i'm sure. he probably thought it was funny. he's still a very classy broadcaster with at least a sense of humor. i wouldn't expect him to sing it the right way, he's a the brewers announcer and a fan, to be sure. what i don't enjoy seeing is bielema getting grilled by the brewers "sideline" reporter on why he sang "root root root for the cubbies" at wrigley field the previous week. the guy grew up in illinois (p'town represent) as a cubs fan, and i doubt he's changing allegiances just because he is the head coach of a completely unrelated COLLEGE team in a completely different city. what a crock or horse crap. i hate the brewers tv team.

Exactly, just like I was with Z, wherever he goes I'll follow him and wish him well. Watching Prior on his game is one of the my favorite things to watch. Hopefully he gets back to that. i just hope it's in the american league. :wink:

It's interesting to see Stark's tidbit, in contrast to what Bruce had to say in his article on Prior over this past weekend... I'm not sure where both guys are getting their information.....Is it their own opinion's or if they have talked with "people in the know". It will be interesting to see what actually does happen. i would imagine that bruce is a bit closer to the cubs than stark is. it's likely stark hasn't set foot in wrigley all year--so his opinion is probably rumor.

even if they non-tender him, i'll still be rooting for him with another team.

this is like the "marquis isn't so bad for a fifth starter argument." he has a remarkable ability to pitch so poorly that people's expectations go down and anything better than complete disaster is fine. he sucks. i think he meant it could have been worse. which fits exactly with what i was saying. so what you expected him to give up 8 or 9 runs today.... what are looking for. he gave up 5 runs in the first 2 innings then went scoreless in 3 1/3, which means it could have been worse... It's impossible to please abuck. it's impossible to please me by allowing 5 runs in 5 1/3 innings, yes. i'm also not pleased with a $100 mil that hovers around .500. sorry. hahaha, that was good.

the dbacks always just play good enough to beat us, and great plays that should not happen are just part of all of that.

when's the last time the cubs took a series from the dbacks?

who the eff is ed gonzales? haha, hilarious name.

pet sounds in.

can we just admit that morgan was a better player and leave it at that? he was, by the way.