Or Griffey, he doesn't really provide a whole lot if he's not making shots. he actually plays good defense, but really, those shots have to fall if he's going to continue shooting Have you looked in the mirror yet and come to acceptance that you are, and I quote, a bunch of "godless chuckers"? chuckers, yes, godless, no. groce's offense is set up to ensure that even if we shoot relatively poorly that we still have a shot at winning. now, if we shoot ridiculously poorly then any team will lose.