this guy didn't read I read what you wrote in the title, and then didn't understand why Palmeiro didn't count. So I posted that. if he counts for having one halfway decent season as a regular, then rizzo and russell count as home grown. hell, theriot had better seasons as a cub. I was going to argue that Palmeiro played in an all star game representing the Cubs, but his numbers that season look mediocre, at least for an all star. I think he had a high average at the break and then Derniered it the rest of the way.