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Wow that is some interesting logic Yeah, that makes no sense. this deal was done because of the decision to not bring back wood. it wasn't a choice between keeping woody and trading for gregg. The end result is, Gregg will be there instead of Woody. As for saving 4-5 million -- that seems like a pretty small amount of money for a team to be unloading an all-star pitcher with a 1.085 WHIP when they're already spending over 100 million and talking about taking on more. you're talking about a 4-year commitment to a guy with an arm put together by duct tape. i don't necessarily like the trade for gregg or even gregg himself, really, but woody was long gone and the deals had nothing to do with each other besides the fact that we needed another body in there. Going with Gregg instead of wood this year is only a difference of $5 mil, but it's a difference of over $30 mil over the lifetime of his would be contract. you really want to make that commitment? i don't It's change for this team with a payroll that might push $150 million and will undoubtedly expand even more as we go along. $40 million over 4 years to a guy whose career was an inch away from being done just over a year ago is not change how can you seriously believe yourself BUT TELL ME WHAT PLAYER WE COULD SIGN WITH THAT MONEY THAT MAKES US BETTER. ANSWER ME THAT seriously. i don't get how anyone can think this way. i mean, soul, try and look more than 6 months into the future, man. You are very convinced that Wood's arm is going to fall off. It didn't this year, with full duty. If it's that certain, then no other team should offer him more than a couple years. If they do, and it works out, we'll talk. $4-$5 million per year is just not that much money for this ballclub. That's pretty much Blanco money. In 4 years it will be even less. You really think Wood is only going to get 4-5 a year?

I have a feeling you're only looking at ERA. Kevin Gregg really isn't very good. He's a mediocre reliever who is going to make millions next season. How is he better than Michael Wuertz? Also yuou seem to be forgetting that Ceda's value to the Cubs is not just what he can contribute to our team. He has trade value and we just wasted it on a guy who isn't an upgrade to a lot of guys we already have. Where is Ceda's trade value? And what other stats are you evaluating Gregg on? I am not disagreeing with you, I am just wanting to know. What do you mean by "where is Ceda's trade value"? I don't understand that question. As for Gregg, you can simply look at his stats yourself. He's basically Michael Wuertz. He walks a ton of guys and gives up a lot of baserunners. He's another "hold your breath" reliever. We have enough of those already and they don't make as much as he will this season. You said he has trade value. What is that value? I assume you have some information on what that value is, that it is considerate enough that we made a huge blunder trading away someone with an escalated value such as Ceda? I can look at the stats. I have looked at the stats. The 'stats' is not very specific though. Which ones are you using to measure? If it is a few simple ones, it should be relatively easy to say which ones. Note that I said I didn't disagree with you on Gregg. I still don't. I just am curious as to which ones you are using to make that statement. Are you for real? So a guy only has trade value if I can name what players he can be traded for? wtf? And where did I say he had such escalated trade value? I never acted like he's some stud prospect who wuill be a key part in future trades. However, I do know that he's worth more than a mediocre reliever who will make millions next year and isn't much of an upgrade to a lot of guys we have now.Where did I say it was a "huge blunder"? I said it was a dumb trade, just like almost everybody else in here is saying. I don't even like Ceda. I was hoping he'd get traded this offseason... just not for Kevin Gregg. As for the stats, I don't understand you. Do you not understand how to look at statistics? You can look at them and very easily come to the conclusion of why I think he's a very mediocre reliever. What do you want from me? Over the past 5 seasons he's basically been a 1.30 WHIP guy who walks everybody.

All I know is that if hendry locks up Gregg long term in an attempt to save face I'm going to seriously flip out

Wow that is some interesting logic Yeah, that makes no sense. this deal was done because of the decision to not bring back wood. it wasn't a choice between keeping woody and trading for gregg. The end result is, Gregg will be there instead of Woody. As for saving 4-5 million -- that seems like a pretty small amount of money for a team to be unloading an all-star pitcher with a 1.085 WHIP when they're already spending over 100 million and talking about taking on more. you're talking about a 4-year commitment to a guy with an arm put together by duct tape. i don't necessarily like the trade for gregg or even gregg himself, really, but woody was long gone and the deals had nothing to do with each other besides the fact that we needed another body in there. Going with Gregg instead of wood this year is only a difference of $5 mil, but it's a difference of over $30 mil over the lifetime of his would be contract. you really want to make that commitment? i don't It's change for this team with a payroll that might push $150 million and will undoubtedly expand even more as we go along. $40 million over 4 years to a guy whose career was an inch away from being done just over a year ago is not change how can you seriously believe yourself BUT TELL ME WHAT PLAYER WE COULD SIGN WITH THAT MONEY THAT MAKES US BETTER. ANSWER ME THAT

I have a feeling that if Hendry gave Wood 4/40 and he got hurt sometime next year you'd be trashing him for giving out such a ridiculous contract to a reliever who was almost guaranteed to get injured.

I have a feeling you're only looking at ERA. Kevin Gregg really isn't very good. He's a mediocre reliever who is going to make millions next season. How is he better than Michael Wuertz? Also yuou seem to be forgetting that Ceda's value to the Cubs is not just what he can contribute to our team. He has trade value and we just wasted it on a guy who isn't an upgrade to a lot of guys we already have. Where is Ceda's trade value? And what other stats are you evaluating Gregg on? I am not disagreeing with you, I am just wanting to know. What do you mean by "where is Ceda's trade value"? I don't understand that question. As for Gregg, you can simply look at his stats yourself. He's basically Michael Wuertz. He walks a ton of guys and gives up a lot of baserunners. He's another "hold your breath" reliever. We have enough of those already and they don't make as much as he will this season.

A lot of the people who are bitching aobut this are the same people who say how stupid it is to give out huge contracts to relievers. Letting Wood go was the right move. We can't give him 40 mil for 4 years and then pray that he doesn't get hurt (when we all know that he most likely will). It's just not the best for the team. It sucks, but it was a good move by Jim. I'm not even really upset. I like kerry but come on, we've dealth with him not being on the team for months at a time so we should be used to him not being around. I think sometimes Kerry is loved too much.

Wow that is some interesting logic

I have a feeling you're only looking at ERA. Kevin Gregg really isn't very good. He's a mediocre reliever who is going to make millions next season. How is he better than Michael Wuertz? Also yuou seem to be forgetting that Ceda's value to the Cubs is not just what he can contribute to our team. He has trade value and we just wasted it on a guy who isn't an upgrade to a lot of guys we already have.

3 run HR in Game 7. It was a 2 run shot

With the way Hendry just came out and said Wood is gone, I think it's pretty obvious that Gregg is staying.

Who would have ever thought that both Prior and Wood would both be gone by 2009?

People really need to stop suggesting this as a possiblility. The Padres don't want a 5M mediocrity as their closer. So Hendry sees Gregg as a solid reliever for the price who has closed for two years but people around the league wouldnt? I have a really hard time believing that. The Cubs are competing next year. The Padres are not. Pretty simple.

People are calling Hendry an idiot for trading Ceda for Kevin effing Gregg

great deal if that's all they gave up. KW has gotten killed with the Swisher thing

This is going to piss me off so much more when we give Dempster 4 years 55 million I never relly thought Wood would leave

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Okay, but that still doesn't explain why hendry is trading decent prospects for crappy and expensive relievers.

Wait, what? First of all, Churchill is not "my boy". He told me something and I posted it here. The reason I believed it at the time was because it was matching up with what Buster Olney had just reported. Not once did I ever say that what he says is always true. I wanted everyone to buy into his info? What the hell? I posted what he said, then people got all pissed and trashed it because they didn't like it...so I said that he's been right in the past. That's all. Second, I never proclaimed that this trade had no chance of happening. I said I ddidn't think it will happen, and I still think it probably won't. That doesn't mean I don't think there's still a good chance that it does happen. You don't see the difference? "Hey do you think the Cubs will get Peavy?". "I hope, but probably not." "Then why are you even posting in here and hoping it happens! You just said it's impossible!" You don't see the problem with what you're saying?

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there. But it's not the only thing. You don't think a "good" player with below average defense could become a "very good" player with elite defense? not a freaking 1b. Okay, do defense shouldn't be accounted for at all just because he's a 1B? That's basically what you're saying right now. So Jason Giambi and Derrek Lee put up identical numbers next season. By your logic they should both be rated equally even though when is great defensively and one is a nightmare. Nice. someone needs a nap. What is your deal? We're having a conversation and then when you can't defend yourself anymore you change the subject and act like I'm pissy? Kind of interesting.

No pics yet. I may not have to. I did offer a secondary source with time stamped information that corroborates my story and goes into a little more detail. I'm not sure if he used that or just read my story and took that for what it is worth (admittedly not very much, unless you just believe me). You said a few days ago you'd tell us the full story on Friday is nothing had materialized by then. Is that still true?

Because I'm posting on the internet.....just like you are.... got it.

Well he said he had pictures so I assumed he'd send one and Raisin would at least be able to tell if he actually had a legit source.

Donnie, did you send a picture to Raisin?

So basically the "PMing a mod so he can vouch for me" idea did absolutely nothing. Sweet.