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http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8782170/Brewers'-veterans-could-be-dealt-for-pitching-help Christ Towers, why are you wasting time with the Braves, who are unwilling to include their top prospects when Hendry is basically willing to give up any prospect or prospect package, minus Samardzjia, who he is unable to due to an NTC. Because Towers doesn't care about which team is being nicer, he cares about getting the best players back. If a team's 12th best prospect is better than another team's 2nd best prospect, he's going to take the first team's 12th best prospect. There's a reason Hendry is willing to give up any prospect...because we don't have anybody good enough to be off limits.

His teeth aren't THAT bad. It's just that one that goes way in for some reason. Can you even fix stuff like that without braces?

So you don't want to trade Vitters because then you lose the trade value of Vitters...how many bigger fish exist than Jake Peavy? Sorry, that's just a nonsense argument. Did you even read what I said? Seriously. I never said I wouldn't trade him (in fact, I very clearly said I would), I just said that there are more factors in trading him than his value to the Cubs in 3-4 years. Read.

Well you can't really use the "we'll have plenty of prospects by the time he's ready" argument because that's not the only value Vitters has. He still has value through trades. If we trade him for peavy we're not just losing out on his potential major league services, we're losing the ability to trade him for something else. I would definitely trade him for peavy though without even thinking about it.

So Rosenthal says the talks have reached a standstill and the Braves are getting pissed...Olney says talks "continue to make progress". Rosenthal says the Pads put in new proposals to each team but neither changed their offer..... Olney says they Cubs and Pads are trying to involve a 3rd team. This is why I have a hard time believing any of these guys. At least one of them is obviously very wrong right now.

Olney says the Cubs and padres are trying to get a 3rd team involved- So Olney and Rosenthal just reported 2 very different stories. Which is more reliable (or least unreliable) of those 2?

I didn't see that one but I did find this similar one from Rosenthal-

Link?

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/for_the_record/posts/22221

It seriously is a huge embarrassment for everyone involved that Volquez was 4th in votes. How does this go overlooked? It's bad enough that some of the moron voters made the mistake, but how could they not have been corrected and told that they need to change their votes? For this mistake to make it all the way to the official press releases is pretty bad.

I'd say even if he was a crappy catcher he'd deserve it over Votto. Isn't Votto pretty bad defensively anyways?

No, I didn't ask about those questions specifically though. It sounded to me like it was Cubs/Padres with only Peavy coming to the Cubs, but as I said I didn't ask too many questions, I didn't even get into names going from the Cubs to the Padres. Okay..I'll bite. Did he say when he expected a deal to actually get done? Tomorrow? This week? I feel stupid

Don't you think it's a bit early to be complaining about a lack of action? It's November 10th and we're talking about a top 5 pitcher. How long have the rumors even been around so far? 2 weeks? I think that's a bit different than a trade for a second baseman that went deep into spring training.

pics plz

Yep, as inferred, you wouldn't believe it. does his name rhyme with Shmim Shmendry

I hate my thought process when it comes to the Cubs. I know I shouldn't ever believe anybody on an internet message board when they say they have a "source" (no offense DonnieD, but when it involves something good possibly happening for the Cubs I always talk myself into believing it could be legit. Anybody know anything aobut DonnieD?

Yeah, setupid Nats trying to get better. What are they thinking, right?

Combining that logic with last year's thread, we should have signed Brian Robert's 8000 times. Considering the fact that Roberts himself said that he was told he was on his way to Chicago at one point (by his agent, I believe), I am pretty sure there was fire. Not to mention the fact that the Cubs were trying to adjust their lineup at the end of spring training for Roberts's "imminent" arrival. No, I am pretty sure that was all BigBird or Peace or Belkast or someone. Roberts agent was the one to come out with the quote: "If Brian Roberts has been traded to Chicago, this is the first we've heard of it". Not saying there wasn't any smoke though. No, Roberts definitely said it later on sometime during the season.

Combining that logic with last year's thread, we should have signed Brian Robert's 8000 times. Brian Roberts was a free agent last offseason?

Well everybody thought the Roberts trade would go down...even Roberts was told. You're right though, this should all be taken lightly because things always change. Yeah, no one should be held accountable for the Roberts fiasco. That deal was done, and done, and done again. Well, I think there is one guy hwo should be held accountable. Of course MacPhail will deny that though

Well it's going right along with what Olney just said. And Olney's track record should tell you he's wrong, so what does that say about Churchills info? I suspect that you're only saying Olney's track record is bad because you don't like what he's saying. The reality is that most of these guys are wrong a lot because they predict so many things and write so many articles. When multiple people are hearing the same thing (and I highly doub Churchill is piggy backing Olney) that's when I tend to start paying attention. You can believe what you want about this Churchill guy, I don't really care, but don't act like he's just blwing smoke up my ass for no reason. He's been right in the past so he's not making it up. That doesn't mean he can't be wrong. Thease guys are wrong all the time. I wasn't acting like he was blowing smoke up your 4th point of contact for no reason. You were acting like Olney's report had any significance on the note you got, and it didn't, which is all I was saying. You're being waaay to sensitive. Don't get mad just because we don't want to put too much stock into your source at this time on this one issue. my "source"? He's a guy with a website who I e-mail sometimes. You could do the same. I never said he's right, all I said is that he's not making it up. You were the one who proclaimed that Olney was surely wrong. I never said anybody was surely right. Neither of us know for sure what's up.. you're the opnly one that claimed you did. Did you even bother reading the post you just replied to? Umm, yeah... that's why everything I said related to it. Apparently you didn't. Whatever, I don't care.

Well everybody thought the Roberts trade would go down...even Roberts was told. You're right though, this should all be taken lightly because things always change.

That's all I'm saying. Things/rumors could still change in an instant...I just don't like the way it looksl ike things are heading.

Well it's going right along with what Olney just said. And Olney's track record should tell you he's wrong, so what does that say about Churchills info? I suspect that you're only saying Olney's track record is bad because you don't like what he's saying. The reality is that most of these guys are wrong a lot because they predict so many things and write so many articles. When multiple people are hearing the same thing (and I highly doub Churchill is piggy backing Olney) that's when I tend to start paying attention. You can believe what you want about this Churchill guy, I don't really care, but don't act like he's just blwing smoke up my ass for no reason. He's been right in the past so he's not making it up. That doesn't mean he can't be wrong. Thease guys are wrong all the time. I wasn't acting like he was blowing smoke up your 4th point of contact for no reason. You were acting like Olney's report had any significance on the note you got, and it didn't, which is all I was saying. You're being waaay to sensitive. Don't get mad just because we don't want to put too much stock into your source at this time on this one issue. my "source"? He's a guy with a website who I e-mail sometimes. You could do the same. I never said he's right, all I said is that he's not making it up. You were the one who proclaimed that Olney was surely wrong. I never said anybody was surely right. Neither of us know for sure what's up.. you're the opnly one that claimed you did.

He's already available. Actually they're trying to trade him.