Wait, 6 baserunners, 2 runs, and only one strikeout in 4 innings is "doing well"? Really? A WHIP of 1.50 is "doing well"? All he did was get 12 outs in a loss. That's it. Any major league pitcher could have done that. I'm not going to congratulate him for going out to pitch when his manager told him to. That's his job. If he actually does it well, THEN I'll give him credit. And I wasn't even the one who made the "completely burned the bullpen comment". I was just pointing out that your whole argument was breaking down the pitchers used in the game and how they all sucked, but you conveniently left out Marshall, who is a good pitcher who was used. I don't see how pointing out the biggest factor in that game is "being tedious". Actually, what's "tedious" is the fact that you're so hung up on the word "completely" in his post. His point was that it burned the bullpen, which it did. Whether you want to admit it or not, extra innings pitched by ANY of your relievers at this point of the season are unwanted. Just because Heilman sucks doesn't mean his future performance is irrelevant.