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That makes sense though. Toronto fans see him enough to know what he is

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Oh, and nothing about how Rios' LD% plummeted this season? I'll go ahead and say that I doubt his LD% fall off by a couple percentage points at the age of 28. Your turn. Huh? That post didn't even make sense. You used BABIP for this season to show that he's just been unlucky. The low LD% (something that should always be used with BABIP) shows that he has not been hitting the ball hard. It is by far the lowest of his career. This just in. If you don't hit the ball hard, you're going to have a low BABIP. And I read the article. It was pretty good. Nothing in it has to do with my argument though, which is simply that Rios is overrated as a hitter. A lot of people make him out to be Evan Longoria, when really he's been more Robison Cano so far. Noooooooooo. You said he was the most overrated player in baseball not an overrated hitter. He might be an overrated hitter, but not a overrated player. + his LD% is a good bet to return to where it has been for the rest of his career. which was my point. I know. And my point wasn't to show that he was falling off a cliff at age 28, and you know it. It was in response to your "well, he's been crappy this season, but check out his BABAIP. He's just unlucky!" post. You can't make a post saying that a guy has just been unlucky this season and then fail to mention the fact that he is also hitting the ball much softer this season as well. And I'll admit that in 06 and 07 Rios wasn't ioverrated as an overall player. Unfortunately, those are the only 2 seasons he's done it.

mediocre? oh now you've done it. how dare you go read that dave cameron article, dude. it pretty much changed my life

Oh, and nothing about how Rios' LD% plummeted this season? I'll go ahead and say that I doubt his LD% fall off by a couple percentage points at the age of 28. Your turn. Huh? That post didn't even make sense. You used BABIP for this season to show that he's just been unlucky. The low LD% (something that should always be used with BABIP) shows that he has not been hitting the ball hard. It is by far the lowest of his career. This just in. If you don't hit the ball hard, you're going to have a low BABIP. And I read the article. It was pretty good. Nothing in it has to do with my argument though, which is simply that Rios is overrated as a hitter. A lot of people make him out to be Evan Longoria, when really he's been more Robison Cano so far.

Oh, and nothing about how Rios' LD% plummeted this season?

He's not overrated ummmmmmmmmmm Now you're just making useless posts. I think he's overrated and you don't We've established that. You tried to play the "haha, i got you!" game by quoting two seperate posts, when really both posts pretty much said the same thing. That's rich. Calling my posts useless. Explain to me how he is overrated. You have told me that he is not a stud hitter, which he's not. And you understand that hitting is not the only part of a player's game. But, you don't get how he is undervalued Oh my god. I've already explained to you why I think he's overrated. Here, let me help you. Combine that with his big contract and maybe you can comprehend what I'm saying.

He's not overrated ummmmmmmmmmm Now you're just making useless posts. I think he's overrated and you don't We've established that. You tried to play the "haha, i got you!" game by quoting two seperate posts, when really both posts pretty much said the same thing.

apparently you don't understand that hitting is only part of a players game. apparently you also missed the 1463 posts in this thread talking about how good his defense is. i figured you'd be smart enough to comprehend all this. my mistake

i just used OPS because it was easies to post. his overall offensive numbers are pretty accurately displayed there. and ages 23-25? what about the last 2 seasons where he's failed to break .800? He hit for a .798 OPS last year. That's plenty good for a great defensive CF. This year, he has suffered from a BABIP 34 points lower than his career average (which I know you love). His BB/K has stayed pretty much the same from the last few seasons. I'll say this again... I never said he's a crappy player. I said he's overrated and not the rgeat hitter people make him out to be. A .798 OPS is fine, but it's not great. Hopefully you actually try and understand what I'm saying this time. I never said Rios is a bad player. Nice try. You said What I am saying is that he, not only is the most overrated player in baseball, but isn't even really overrated. If you don't want to listen to me, listen to dave cameron. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rios-wells i feel like you aren't even reading the posts. you say "nice try" to a post where i said that rios is not bad, just overrated. then you quote a post where i say "he's overrated" ummmmm

by the way, babip is useless if you use it by itself. his ld% this season is 18.4, which is by far the lowest in his career, and way lower than last season. guess what? if you aren't hitting the ball hard, you're going to have a low babip.

ah yes the famous career OPS. When I evaluate a player, I use more than his age 23-25 OPS, sorry. i just used OPS because it was easies to post. his overall offensive numbers are pretty accurately displayed there. and ages 23-25? what about the last 2 seasons where he's failed to break .800? He hit for a .798 OPS last year. That's plenty good for a great defensive CF. This year, he has suffered from a BABIP 34 points lower than his career average (which I know you love). His BB/K has stayed pretty much the same from the last few seasons. I'll say this again... I never said he's a crappy player. I said he's overrated and not the rgeat hitter people make him out to be. A .798 OPS is fine, but it's not great. Hopefully you actually try and understand what I'm saying this time. I never said Rios is a bad player.

BUT THERE WEREN'T EXTRA INNINGS PUT ON THE BULLPEN. Marshall 2 Grabow 1 Heilman 1 Guzman 0 Marmol 0 Gregg 0 Stevens 0 6 of 7 arms available the following day. That's much closer to a fresh bullpen than a "burned" bullpen. This whole "every inning pitched by any reliever this late in the season is relevant" nonsense has been smacked straight back in your face already, so no need for me to pile on there. And once again you ignore the point An inning that wouldn't have been pitched if the start had avtually gone 6-7 innings= AN EXTRA INNING PITCHED I really don't understand why it's so hard for you to explain. You keep bringing up the "they still could have pitched the next day" stuff over and over again, when that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I don't even care though. My point wasn't to argue this, it was just to point out that you conveniently left out Marshall, because you constantly pick and choose with parts of an argument you want to mention, and then ignore the parts that hurt your argument. Oh well, back to OH to talk up Jim Hendry and act like the Cubs authority

ah yes the famous career OPS. When I evaluate a player, I use more than his age 23-25 OPS, sorry. i just used OPS because it was easies to post. his overall offensive numbers are pretty accurately displayed there. and ages 23-25? what about the last 2 seasons where he's failed to break .800?

I'm talking about ov=verrated in terms of the way people talk him up... especially ESPN and such. They constantly make him out to be some superstar hitter. It's not just ESPN though.

alex rios career ops' .721 .703 .764 .865 .852 .798 .744

undervalued? rios might be the most overrated player in baseball

Rios plays better defense, younger, and plays CF and usually is a crappy hitter

In a sense, yes. I don't know what you're even trying to do here. I wasn't even the one who said it "completely burned the bullpen". I'm just saying that it's foolish to say that extra innings on relievers arms this late in the season don't matter just because they suck.

No, it did not "burn" the bullpen, completely or in any other way. Six guys were available to pitch the next day (Guzman Marmol Gregg Stevens Heilman Grabow). By your logic, any bullpen that does not have a full complement of all seven arms available every single day is "burned". Complete and utter nonsense. You keep ignoring the main point over and over again. Thisis what you constantly do. You pick and choose which facts and points you want to9 include in your posts. You railor the facts to your argument. JUST BECAUSE A RELIEVER WAS AVAILABLE THE NEXT DAY DOESN'T MEAN THAT HIS INNINGS WERE IRRELEVANT. I'll say this for the THIRD time. Every inning on your bullpen this late in the season is relevant. Even to your crappy relievers. This is when bullpens wear down. Now let's see if you ignore it again. Was it Heilman's 1 inning or Grabow's 1 inning that put the bullpen over the edge? Did I say anything close to that? All I said was that every inning pitched by any reliever this late in the season is relevant.

Well now I'm sold. Well done.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/blackhawks-confidential/Patrick%20Kane.jpg whoops

why? because they upgraded from havlat to hossa? because they did the smart thing and DIDN'T overpay for khabi? if this was like the cubs offseason, they would have overpaid for havlat and khabi, and then traded duncan keith for a role player Have you been in hibernation? They got Hossa, who turned out to be hurt and are being investigated for potential misconduct and may be fined or lose draft picks because of it. They had to overpay and put themselves in an even more precarious cap position because they effed up the RFA offers. And the whole Tallon thing. And you are saying it's not been a bad offseason? Anyway, as to the Kane thing, I'm sure it will all get pinned on his cousin in the end. He'll come out clean. As far as assembling a team for next season, no, it has not been a "disastrous" offseason. It hasn't been pretty, but disastrous? Come on. As for Hossa, he'll miss like... what.. 2 months? For a contract that long, that's pretty irrelevant. Plus I highly doubt they lose any picks.

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No, it did not "burn" the bullpen, completely or in any other way. Six guys were available to pitch the next day (Guzman Marmol Gregg Stevens Heilman Grabow). By your logic, any bullpen that does not have a full complement of all seven arms available every single day is "burned". Complete and utter nonsense. You keep ignoring the main point over and over again. Thisis what you constantly do. You pick and choose which facts and points you want to9 include in your posts. You railor the facts to your argument. JUST BECAUSE A RELIEVER WAS AVAILABLE THE NEXT DAY DOESN'T MEAN THAT HIS INNINGS WERE IRRELEVANT. I'll say this for the THIRD time. Every inning on your bullpen this late in the season is relevant. Even to your crappy relievers. This is when bullpens wear down. Now let's see if you ignore it again.