There's still a possibility that trade could end up being a bust for bust trade. Minor league performances are awesome and everything, but, you gotta go with ML performance to evaluate trades. I disagree. Even if Bay turns out to be a bust, the Cubs didn't optimize his trade value - they surely could have gotten more for him than Bartosh (and if not, they should have kept Bear). Yes, I just read the whole thread. :shock: Call me a sucker, but I still believe Bartosh will be a solid pitcher for the Cubs. Here is a listed of pitchers who are on the ML roster who have similar ht/wt as Bear Bay (non-Asian): Ezequiel Astacio 1.87/.357/9.47 Ervin Santana 1.62/.281/5.66 Casey Fossum .245/1.31/4.02 Chad Gaudlin 2.71/.453//12.19 And those numbers are BAA/WHIP/ERA. The ONLY one on that listed who is even having a remotely solid season is Casey Fossum, and he is ALREADY on his third team. Gaudin is 5'11, about 4 inches shorter then Bay. So really there are two pitchers are EXACT some measurement of about 6'3 and around 150-160 lbs. And those two kids have BLAH numbers. Both maybe talented, but like Bay they need to pack on the LBS so that injury doesn't become a problem. And gaining weight has been Bay's problem. I like the kid, but I believe Bartosh will produce more for the Cubs then Bay will for the Indians. First off, Ervin Santana is a very exciting prospect for the Angels who has had a couple of bad games. The odds are still against Bay succeeding in the big leagues, despite his great season at high A and AA (stats). But his season has increased his trade value, and right now, Bartosh's is not that high. My main point is that a bust-bust trade is not necessarily a wash, becauze it ignores the opportunity cost of the players traded.