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Yea that was my plan. But as long as that isn't the plan, I don't want them just rolling Nick Foles out there, either.

With the way some of these rumors were swirling, that's actually less than I thought they offered. I'm guessing it would be rookie contract guys as the two starters? So two of the group: Smith, Johnson, Nichols, Daniels, Mooney? (maybe Kmet)

If you like Dalton now, why didn't you go get him last year? He signed to be a backup to Prescott, where there was less likely of a chance of winning the job as opposed to Trubisky. They spent a draft pick to get Foles. I just don't understand the logic. The carousel continues. Well they obviously didn't want to wait out the market for Dalton last year. He was still a Bengal until after the draft. I did think at the time they didn't need to pull the trigger on Foles when they did. But anyways I think you have to be careful about making direct comparisons between the market in each year.

horsefeathers it up in the sense of paying top much or picking the wrong guy? Or both? Picking the right guy. In the sense that most QB picks fail, yes. I the sense that I think Pace is like predetermined to pick bad QBs, nah.

Say Pace manages to trade up, maybe, even to a place where Wilson or Fields might be available, do we really expect him not to horsefeathers it up again? horsefeathers it up in the sense of paying top much or picking the wrong guy? Or both?

Those all seem light, trade charts be damned. I think you can probably count in dialing up the trade chart with a 10-20% premium in this market. Perhaps more for the Bears because teams are gonna know.

Another overpay IMO and no indication yet that this is just the market for guys like him. But in principal I like the player as a RG/RT hedge against the draft options.

Its not a real win, but it's definitely a Bears Win ®.

10-13M is starter asset? Did the clocks role back to 2008 last Sunday?

horsefeathers it. Bring back Trubisky, AND draft a QB and make this summer the kicker competition all over again. Now you get it.

how does this make you feel better? Dalton can earn up to $13m Because it doesn't appear there's gonna be reasonably cheap alternatives (like Taylor) and going into late April with only Foles with a team apparently trying to compete seems super dumb.

I think it's a sign Russ deal is dead, perhaps because the Bears decided they had to horsefeathers or get off the pot and move to plan D. But if next week it magically reappeared, they could find a way. 40M QB room be damned.

Already feeling better. The QB market just sucks. They should have conceded on 2021 long ago, but...

Also for 10M I much prefer Fitzpatrick. I thought that was high when I saw that deal, but I clearly underestimated the QB market.

Okay I can officially say it. BOOOOO (but also not that surprised, that's my mildly annoyed boo)

That's a good thing but fans can't let go of sunk costs. As to Miller, it entirely depends on what they do with the slot WR spot. When I look at Miller he's not particularly a guy I want past his rookie deal. But there is probably still some value in his last year. The marginal cost of throwing together some intriguing slot options (and hopefully factoring in a healthy Cohen) shouldnt be that high.

At the rate things are going, yes. I fully expect them to pull a Hayden Simpson in the draft when they're unable to trade up for Mac Jones, panic, and grossly overreach on a QB at 20. I am convinced that they will offer like 2 1sts and a 2nd to trade up 7 spots and draft Mac Jones if they dont sign a FA or trade for the big names. I think there is 0 shot that Foles is the starter day 1 unless its to ease a drafted QB into action. That would definitely be a lot for 7 slots from 20 to 13. Hope not. Just going off Pace priors it's more likely he gives up an annoying, but smaller amount for a jump from like 20 to 18 (jump Washington). Or he'll give up all the picks for Wilson.

I think Indy still holds his rights. Not sure what they'd look for in a trade. But I've not even heard a peep he might come back.

At this point Dalton looks like a better option to me, ever so slightly. But realistically it's creating a competition and having redundancy for injury makes some sense. They're both low end starters or backups. But I'd probably still rather have multiple of these low end guys and have options than put all my eggs in one basket so I can save cap for like, a low end OT. Like they're clearly leaving efficient cap management behind for the forsreeble future. The ultimate cost of a guy like Dalton will range from "makes sense" to "mildly annoying, but mostly water under the bridge of how Pace intends to treat the cap" IMO.

Well at the very least maybe it's an incentive deal situation. I guess we'll wait and see. But there are pretty well known Bears bloggers on twitters railing on the idea of Dalton at any cost or making the very bad sunk cost argument about Foles. Even if Dalton costs high end backup money that's only so bad in the grand scheme of things and idiots acting like now it's the straw that breaks the bakc with Pace? Like what the hell? I really don't think people would just now come to the conclusion that Pace is bad because of this bad move. Every bad move is the last permissible bad move in most people's eyes, but they aren't the camels, George is the camel. They are absolutely right to criticize a Foles, Dalton, Draft Pick 2021 QB room because that is an absolute misuse of resources. As opposed to what? Foles and a draft pick? Really depends on the type of draft pick at the end of the day too, but any QB room with Foles as the presumptive starter is bad. Sooo... Yea they are only going to have a good QB room if they hit on a draft pick or catch lightning in a bottle.

Given the cost of what the other options off the board have gone for, I'm honestly not in love with any option off the board. If I could step into the contract/trade terms of the other guys who've moved I don't think I would. Granted if Dalton gets like 10M. BOOOO. But I'll hold out some hope it's a averaging backup deal if it goes down. Why would Dalton intentionally sign with the Bears for backup money? If he signs with the Bears he would see himself as the likely starter and a QB who believes he is the starter isn't signing for under $10m. If he sees himself as a backup to a better guy he'll take that with a contender, but that makes no sense to happen with the Bears. Well at the very least maybe it's an incentive deal situation. I guess we'll wait and see. But there are pretty well known Bears bloggers on twitters railing on the idea of Dalton at any cost or making the very bad sunk cost argument about Foles. Even if Dalton costs high end backup money that's only so bad in the grand scheme of things and idiots acting like now it's the straw that breaks the back with Pace? Like what the hell?

There's definitely a cost where Dalton is not a terrible misuse of resources. Fact is Foles really doesn't look that viable even if they're kind of stuck with him. And they aren't in a draft spot to have much certainty about that option. The options that a Dalton woild give them is worth something. Now I am a little worried if he's being signed on day 2 of FA what that cost is and that it will be too much, since there are still a couple other options out there. So while I'd much prefer Pace to wait out the QB market some, it has hlgone quicker than I anticipated and it ultimately comes down to cost IMO. Dalton at $3m is fine, but that isn't happening. Dalton is a little more than a year older than Foles and for some reason people are pretending he hasn't sucked balls in recent seasons. He had a good run in his 20s and is trash now. There is no point in signing Dalton with Foles on the roster. Now if there is some weirdo team that wants Foles as part of a trade that allows the Bears to acquire more picks or something, okay, wheel and deal and keep that QB shuffle moving. Who cares? But Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is bad management, and you cannot go through this draft without picking a QB somewhere. I'd say up to 6m is probably okay for Dalton even if my preference is exploring other options who might come in lower. And yea I have said from day 1 they need to draft a guy, but there will be a big difference if it's Mac Jones at 20 or Jaime Newman in the 3rd as it relates to your confidence that that pick is your viable backup. And at 20 it may be very well be that Trask is the best option (and they he won't last or 52 either).

Given the cost of what the other options off the board have gone for, I'm honestly not in love with any option off the board. If I could step into the contract/trade terms of the other guys who've moved I don't think I would. Granted if Dalton gets like 10M. BOOOO. But I'll hold out some hope it's a averaging backup deal if it goes down.

Are we rehashing last year? Yea Pace was aggressive and didn't want to wait out the QB market, like he should have. He traded for Foles because the Bengals/Panthers asking prices were too high for Dalton/Newton. But like that's all sunk cost and way too many fans apparently have a view that Foles is just a bed Pace has to lie in and not spend any other money on a QB unless it's Wilson? It's not my fault it's relevant again. Pace made a choice last year that looked dumb at the time and looks even worse in hindsight. My hope was that for scouting/scheme/personnel reasons that would go over my head, Dalton wasn't a fit. But if they bring him in now that's clearly not the case. Dalton works on this roster. He's a quality backup either for a big acquisition or as a caddy for a draft pick. And I assume Dalton + Foles' dead money will be less than Foles salary (and if not, horsefeathering christ Pace). Well if that's a lie you told yourself last year to make yourself feel better, okay, but that's an absolutely wrong way to read what happened last year. It was bad last year and just because maybe we're just accepting that now doesn't mean Pace shouldn't try other avenues to add to the QB room. And again, disclaimer that knowing all this it should be a reset year... But knowing it's not, Foles is really an insufficient stand alone plan at QB.

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine. Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace. Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is a terrible misuse of resources. It's perfectly fine to go with crummy vets and a draft pick, it's absurd to spend that much money on vet backups while presumably investing a high pick on a QB who will be sitting the bench. Dalton as a bridge guy on his own is fine. Not ending up with Wilson and settling with bridge QBs plus a pick is fine. Wasting a roster pick on a redundant vet and spending the cap space on that redundant vet is bad management. There's definitely a cost where Dalton is not a terrible misuse of resources. Fact is Foles really doesn't look that viable even if they're kind of stuck with him. And they aren't in a draft spot to have much certainty about that option. The options that a Dalton woild give them is worth something. Now I am a little worried if he's being signed on day 2 of FA what that cost is and that it will be too much, since there are still a couple other options out there. So while I'd much prefer Pace to wait out the QB market some, it has hlgone quicker than I anticipated and it ultimately comes down to cost IMO.