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Are we rehashing last year? Yea Pace was aggressive and didn't want to wait out the QB market, like he should have. He traded for Foles because the Bengals/Panthers asking prices were too high for Dalton/Newton. But like that's all sunk cost and way too many fans apparently have a view that Foles is just a bed Pace has to lie in and not spend any other money on a QB unless it's Wilson?

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine. Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace.

Okay I don't think Biggs is much of a troller

I think Holmes is just trolling but....?

Another vet QB off the market:

Details of Mariotas contract: https://overthecap.com/is-marcus-mariota-tradeable/

If they're not getting a good QB, Dalton is actually probably a decent Foles redundancy, since they obviously aren't resetting/rebuilding. Id much rather get Mariotta at that point. Really depends on cost at that point. Assuming Mariota is cut. I don't think I'd trade anything for him and his current deal. But if it's an argument that Mariota has more upside, I'd say the draft is the route to get upside. But decent chance it's not an immediate contributor so Foles+vet give them good contingency (and they carry 3 QBs).

If they're not getting a good QB, Dalton is actually probably a decent Foles redundancy, since they obviously aren't resetting/rebuilding.

RRH deal is 3/24. At that price, glad he's not back. Good for him. That could turn into a 5th Rd comp pick in 2022 if the Bears dont offset it elsewhere.

Maybe. You have to replace them in 2022 then. Unless you can replace them in 2022 with mostly cut candidates or cheap contracts, you'll offset a lot of your debits. But Pace does seem to value the comp pick process, even though it took a few years to get it going... hope he's getting those consistent picks going forward. True. And there probably won’t be as many cuts next year with the cap exploding back up. But utilizing the comp system would be a good way to recoup some of the draft capital lost in a potential Russell Wilson trade. Unfortunately the NFL did remove one big loophole last year with the option loophole. And it turns out Massie was signed with an option, likely with the loophole in mind, which ended up being moot. Not sure if there will be other loopholes to exploit. But ideally its just a natural consequence of simply not being able to afford guys too and not something you have to go too far out of your way for.

I really wish we could get a resolution on Wilson so I could know what to root for. Like, if we're actually getting him, then yeah let's do every restructure and every cap saving move possible. Because of the league-wide cap issues, we're going to see a ton of quality players take 1 year deals in a good situation and re-enter the market next year. If we've got Wilson, we're a prime spot for those guys. Don't stress about losing depth because like you said we can probably replace guys for less, and maybe even upgrade while doing so. But if we're not getting a star at QB, I have little appetite for pushing current cap pain forward into future seasons. I don't want to make future seasons worse for the sake of putting a slightly better team around Teddy Bridgewater. If you can actually get quality guys to come here on 1 year deals you can then let them walk next year and receive comp picks in 2023 for them. Maybe. You have to replace them in 2022 then. Unless you can replace them in 2022 with mostly cut candidates or cheap contracts, you'll offset a lot of your debits. But Pace does seem to value the comp pick process, even though it took a few years to get it going... hope he's getting those consistent picks going forward.

The entire dirt is just now base. All grass is lava and if you touch it you're out. No collisions.

Riddick is buddy buddy with our FO, right? i always got that impression. at least there seemed to be some sort of connection with nagy. Worked at least 1 year with Nagy in Philly. Not sure if he's buddy buddy with the FO.

But if they want Foles, that's fine too.

Two firsts (2021, 2022) and Smith, get back a 2022 3rd. Is that too light? Is Smith comparable to a 1st rounder in value?

uuhhhh yes, that was the endless trade watch I was trying to remember.

Peavy to Cubs!

Lots of Twitter buzz re: Wilson on the basis of betting sites. For whatever that's worth..

He currently has Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. Thats better than Robinson/Mooney. Sent from my SM-A115AZ using Tapatalk Statistically Robinson and Metcalf are pretty close, nearly equal, Robinson' > Lockett but, Metcalf and Lockett both have it over Mooney so, as a package you're correct. How about Wilson would have some good weapons to work with on the Bears? Plus as been mentioned, Wilson not having to deal with Carroll. It's probably all academic, I refuse to believe something this great could happen for the Bears. It's against the rules. I'm pretty high on Mooney, so maybe they could get there, but certainly not today.

Yea. Certainly the cap mechanics are less complicated if they can extend him and lower the 2021 hit. Anything is possible, but an extension is preferable unless you had some concern about locking him into his late 20s. Acquiring a competent QB would probably help. Just in terms of Arobs willingness to agree to something you mean?

Yea. Certainly the cap mechanics are less complicated if they can extend him and lower the 2021 hit. Anything is possible, but an extension is preferable unless you had some concern about locking him into his late 20s.

Hasn't it been all but said he's not a Nagy fan?

Ok, someone do the math. If they are break even at 20%, they sure must make a killing at 100%. Holy crap, what an admission haha. I mean I'm sure there' some very negligible cost increase as far as staffing the stadium at 100% verse 20%, but yea...

On the OL point, I think at a certain point its fair to question if Wilson is making life harder on the OL. Most analytic minded guys will say that the QB is responsible for a great deal of sack % for example. If its 4 top 1-3 picks over the next 3 drafts... I guess the devil is just in the details. I'm slightly more concerned about net pick loss. I'd part with the 3 firsts if I got a 2nd back, for example, as the difference between say 20 to 50th in the draft is often pretty small. Three 1sts and a second is a lot different that two 1sts and two 3rds. Oh yeah, Wilson makes it much harder on his line. Sacks are actually harder to get now because teams get the ball out so quickly. He holds onto the ball and runs around which can create pressure (rusher can see him, lineman can't, rusher adjusts to QB leaving the pocket while OL trying to protect the pocket). As for the picks, I'm cool with giving up 1sts. I don't want to give up 1sts, and 2nds and 3rds. I mean, you still gotta hit on the picks, but you have to have the picks to hit on. Three 1sts and a 2nd is different from 2 1sts and 2 3rds because of that extra 1st round pick. But I'd also rather give up 3 1sts instead of 2 1sts and 2 2nds in the next 2 years, leaving your first pick in the 80s or later for 2 straight years. Yea - pretty much in agreement. I look at the Mack deal for instance. Two firsts got the headlines, but it was really less than that with the pick swaps. Now obviously I expect a proven QB to be higher cost than Mack, but he is an older QB too. Taking whatever priors I can to triangulate it, and just using the pick trade chart, the net value should be something like a Number 1 overall pick plus a little extra. Obviously that involves some guesswork with future picks, but assume you price your picks at like 20-25 range.

I think you are reaching the point of overvaluing the QB spot, personally. I guess if I knew the cap was about to explode with a new TV deal the vision becomes clearer as they could just fill around Wilson in FA for a few years, but as things stands now, the Bears aren't necessarily in a great spot to build around Wilson. At least Watson has longer term upside based on age. I'd definitely offer more for him.