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That's a good thing but fans can't let go of sunk costs. As to Miller, it entirely depends on what they do with the slot WR spot. When I look at Miller he's not particularly a guy I want past his rookie deal. But there is probably still some value in his last year. The marginal cost of throwing together some intriguing slot options (and hopefully factoring in a healthy Cohen) shouldnt be that high.

At the rate things are going, yes. I fully expect them to pull a Hayden Simpson in the draft when they're unable to trade up for Mac Jones, panic, and grossly overreach on a QB at 20. I am convinced that they will offer like 2 1sts and a 2nd to trade up 7 spots and draft Mac Jones if they dont sign a FA or trade for the big names. I think there is 0 shot that Foles is the starter day 1 unless its to ease a drafted QB into action. That would definitely be a lot for 7 slots from 20 to 13. Hope not. Just going off Pace priors it's more likely he gives up an annoying, but smaller amount for a jump from like 20 to 18 (jump Washington). Or he'll give up all the picks for Wilson.

I think Indy still holds his rights. Not sure what they'd look for in a trade. But I've not even heard a peep he might come back.

At this point Dalton looks like a better option to me, ever so slightly. But realistically it's creating a competition and having redundancy for injury makes some sense. They're both low end starters or backups. But I'd probably still rather have multiple of these low end guys and have options than put all my eggs in one basket so I can save cap for like, a low end OT. Like they're clearly leaving efficient cap management behind for the forsreeble future. The ultimate cost of a guy like Dalton will range from "makes sense" to "mildly annoying, but mostly water under the bridge of how Pace intends to treat the cap" IMO.

Well at the very least maybe it's an incentive deal situation. I guess we'll wait and see. But there are pretty well known Bears bloggers on twitters railing on the idea of Dalton at any cost or making the very bad sunk cost argument about Foles. Even if Dalton costs high end backup money that's only so bad in the grand scheme of things and idiots acting like now it's the straw that breaks the bakc with Pace? Like what the hell? I really don't think people would just now come to the conclusion that Pace is bad because of this bad move. Every bad move is the last permissible bad move in most people's eyes, but they aren't the camels, George is the camel. They are absolutely right to criticize a Foles, Dalton, Draft Pick 2021 QB room because that is an absolute misuse of resources. As opposed to what? Foles and a draft pick? Really depends on the type of draft pick at the end of the day too, but any QB room with Foles as the presumptive starter is bad. Sooo... Yea they are only going to have a good QB room if they hit on a draft pick or catch lightning in a bottle.

Given the cost of what the other options off the board have gone for, I'm honestly not in love with any option off the board. If I could step into the contract/trade terms of the other guys who've moved I don't think I would. Granted if Dalton gets like 10M. BOOOO. But I'll hold out some hope it's a averaging backup deal if it goes down. Why would Dalton intentionally sign with the Bears for backup money? If he signs with the Bears he would see himself as the likely starter and a QB who believes he is the starter isn't signing for under $10m. If he sees himself as a backup to a better guy he'll take that with a contender, but that makes no sense to happen with the Bears. Well at the very least maybe it's an incentive deal situation. I guess we'll wait and see. But there are pretty well known Bears bloggers on twitters railing on the idea of Dalton at any cost or making the very bad sunk cost argument about Foles. Even if Dalton costs high end backup money that's only so bad in the grand scheme of things and idiots acting like now it's the straw that breaks the back with Pace? Like what the hell?

There's definitely a cost where Dalton is not a terrible misuse of resources. Fact is Foles really doesn't look that viable even if they're kind of stuck with him. And they aren't in a draft spot to have much certainty about that option. The options that a Dalton woild give them is worth something. Now I am a little worried if he's being signed on day 2 of FA what that cost is and that it will be too much, since there are still a couple other options out there. So while I'd much prefer Pace to wait out the QB market some, it has hlgone quicker than I anticipated and it ultimately comes down to cost IMO. Dalton at $3m is fine, but that isn't happening. Dalton is a little more than a year older than Foles and for some reason people are pretending he hasn't sucked balls in recent seasons. He had a good run in his 20s and is trash now. There is no point in signing Dalton with Foles on the roster. Now if there is some weirdo team that wants Foles as part of a trade that allows the Bears to acquire more picks or something, okay, wheel and deal and keep that QB shuffle moving. Who cares? But Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is bad management, and you cannot go through this draft without picking a QB somewhere. I'd say up to 6m is probably okay for Dalton even if my preference is exploring other options who might come in lower. And yea I have said from day 1 they need to draft a guy, but there will be a big difference if it's Mac Jones at 20 or Jaime Newman in the 3rd as it relates to your confidence that that pick is your viable backup. And at 20 it may be very well be that Trask is the best option (and they he won't last or 52 either).

Given the cost of what the other options off the board have gone for, I'm honestly not in love with any option off the board. If I could step into the contract/trade terms of the other guys who've moved I don't think I would. Granted if Dalton gets like 10M. BOOOO. But I'll hold out some hope it's a averaging backup deal if it goes down.

Are we rehashing last year? Yea Pace was aggressive and didn't want to wait out the QB market, like he should have. He traded for Foles because the Bengals/Panthers asking prices were too high for Dalton/Newton. But like that's all sunk cost and way too many fans apparently have a view that Foles is just a bed Pace has to lie in and not spend any other money on a QB unless it's Wilson? It's not my fault it's relevant again. Pace made a choice last year that looked dumb at the time and looks even worse in hindsight. My hope was that for scouting/scheme/personnel reasons that would go over my head, Dalton wasn't a fit. But if they bring him in now that's clearly not the case. Dalton works on this roster. He's a quality backup either for a big acquisition or as a caddy for a draft pick. And I assume Dalton + Foles' dead money will be less than Foles salary (and if not, horsefeathering christ Pace). Well if that's a lie you told yourself last year to make yourself feel better, okay, but that's an absolutely wrong way to read what happened last year. It was bad last year and just because maybe we're just accepting that now doesn't mean Pace shouldn't try other avenues to add to the QB room. And again, disclaimer that knowing all this it should be a reset year... But knowing it's not, Foles is really an insufficient stand alone plan at QB.

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine. Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace. Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is a terrible misuse of resources. It's perfectly fine to go with crummy vets and a draft pick, it's absurd to spend that much money on vet backups while presumably investing a high pick on a QB who will be sitting the bench. Dalton as a bridge guy on his own is fine. Not ending up with Wilson and settling with bridge QBs plus a pick is fine. Wasting a roster pick on a redundant vet and spending the cap space on that redundant vet is bad management. There's definitely a cost where Dalton is not a terrible misuse of resources. Fact is Foles really doesn't look that viable even if they're kind of stuck with him. And they aren't in a draft spot to have much certainty about that option. The options that a Dalton woild give them is worth something. Now I am a little worried if he's being signed on day 2 of FA what that cost is and that it will be too much, since there are still a couple other options out there. So while I'd much prefer Pace to wait out the QB market some, it has hlgone quicker than I anticipated and it ultimately comes down to cost IMO.

Are we rehashing last year? Yea Pace was aggressive and didn't want to wait out the QB market, like he should have. He traded for Foles because the Bengals/Panthers asking prices were too high for Dalton/Newton. But like that's all sunk cost and way too many fans apparently have a view that Foles is just a bed Pace has to lie in and not spend any other money on a QB unless it's Wilson?

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine. Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace.

Okay I don't think Biggs is much of a troller

I think Holmes is just trolling but....?

Another vet QB off the market:

Details of Mariotas contract: https://overthecap.com/is-marcus-mariota-tradeable/

If they're not getting a good QB, Dalton is actually probably a decent Foles redundancy, since they obviously aren't resetting/rebuilding. Id much rather get Mariotta at that point. Really depends on cost at that point. Assuming Mariota is cut. I don't think I'd trade anything for him and his current deal. But if it's an argument that Mariota has more upside, I'd say the draft is the route to get upside. But decent chance it's not an immediate contributor so Foles+vet give them good contingency (and they carry 3 QBs).

If they're not getting a good QB, Dalton is actually probably a decent Foles redundancy, since they obviously aren't resetting/rebuilding.

RRH deal is 3/24. At that price, glad he's not back. Good for him. That could turn into a 5th Rd comp pick in 2022 if the Bears dont offset it elsewhere.

Maybe. You have to replace them in 2022 then. Unless you can replace them in 2022 with mostly cut candidates or cheap contracts, you'll offset a lot of your debits. But Pace does seem to value the comp pick process, even though it took a few years to get it going... hope he's getting those consistent picks going forward. True. And there probably won’t be as many cuts next year with the cap exploding back up. But utilizing the comp system would be a good way to recoup some of the draft capital lost in a potential Russell Wilson trade. Unfortunately the NFL did remove one big loophole last year with the option loophole. And it turns out Massie was signed with an option, likely with the loophole in mind, which ended up being moot. Not sure if there will be other loopholes to exploit. But ideally its just a natural consequence of simply not being able to afford guys too and not something you have to go too far out of your way for.

I really wish we could get a resolution on Wilson so I could know what to root for. Like, if we're actually getting him, then yeah let's do every restructure and every cap saving move possible. Because of the league-wide cap issues, we're going to see a ton of quality players take 1 year deals in a good situation and re-enter the market next year. If we've got Wilson, we're a prime spot for those guys. Don't stress about losing depth because like you said we can probably replace guys for less, and maybe even upgrade while doing so. But if we're not getting a star at QB, I have little appetite for pushing current cap pain forward into future seasons. I don't want to make future seasons worse for the sake of putting a slightly better team around Teddy Bridgewater. If you can actually get quality guys to come here on 1 year deals you can then let them walk next year and receive comp picks in 2023 for them. Maybe. You have to replace them in 2022 then. Unless you can replace them in 2022 with mostly cut candidates or cheap contracts, you'll offset a lot of your debits. But Pace does seem to value the comp pick process, even though it took a few years to get it going... hope he's getting those consistent picks going forward.

The entire dirt is just now base. All grass is lava and if you touch it you're out. No collisions.

Riddick is buddy buddy with our FO, right? i always got that impression. at least there seemed to be some sort of connection with nagy. Worked at least 1 year with Nagy in Philly. Not sure if he's buddy buddy with the FO.

But if they want Foles, that's fine too.

Two firsts (2021, 2022) and Smith, get back a 2022 3rd. Is that too light? Is Smith comparable to a 1st rounder in value?