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his defense is greatly overrated, and his offense is barely better than average You realize he's got a .942 OPS to start the year, right? Granted it's unsustainable with his current LD% and BABIP, but still.

Weren't you big on Antonelli before? Did you cool on him or did White just grow on you more? Im an Antonelli guy. White's no different than, say, hiring Tim Wilken as our GM. I'd hire Ng before white. Who's Antonelli? gah wrong surname. Im thinking of Chris Antonetti and did the name of Padres prospect, Matt Antonelli. My mistake. Actually you just copied my mistake. That's what I get for trying to recall secondary front office people from memory. Anyone know/remember the name of the system that Antonetti and Shapiro created? DiamondView Thanks, I had just found it and was coming to edit too.

Weren't you big on Antonelli before? Did you cool on him or did White just grow on you more? Im an Antonelli guy. White's no different than, say, hiring Tim Wilken as our GM. I'd hire Ng before white. Who's Antonelli? gah wrong surname. Im thinking of Chris Antonetti and did the name of Padres prospect, Matt Antonelli. My mistake. Actually you just copied my mistake. That's what I get for trying to recall secondary front office people from memory. Anyone know/remember the name of the system that Antonetti and Shapiro created?

In this case... "a bunch" = 1 person

That seems a bit extreme. Its cheating, cheaters get suspended right? That's pretty extreme. Should we suspend a hitter who pretends an inside pitch hits them? What about an outfielder who tries to sell that he caught the ball when he really trapped it? I'm not upset at all about what Hopper did, it falls under gamesmanship to me. I wasnt saying I thought he should be suspended, just saying how some people could think he deserves it. Understandable, I was speaking more to the point as a whole than to any particular person.

That seems a bit extreme. Its cheating, cheaters get suspended right? That's pretty extreme. Should we suspend a hitter who pretends an inside pitch hits them? What about an outfielder who tries to sell that he caught the ball when he really trapped it? I'm not upset at all about what Hopper did, it falls under gamesmanship to me.

Hahaha, this really happened? It's so crazy it has to be true.

If you think about it though we are about 1/4 of the way through the season. Meaning the sample is about twice as much as a full season of a starting pitcher or four times as much as a full season of a starting position player (of the top of my head). what 40 games is 360 innings, almost twice as much as a starting pitcher would throw(~200).

Weren't you big on Antonelli before? Did you cool on him or did White just grow on you more?

How can you even justify that argument when Bynum has played in 101 major league games, Macias has played in 659 major league games, and Guzman has played in 29, count 'em, 29 major league games. Macias has been around for an eternity, the last time he had regular minor league playing time was 7 years ago. He had a chance to prove himself for 5 years, and he didn't, even though people kept putting him on their teams for some reason Comparing Guzman, who has 89 major league AB, to Macias, who has 1646AB, is ridiculous. Guzman has started 16 games in his major league career. 16. He's been a subbed and pinch hit the other 13 games he played in. If you wanted to be judge, jury, and executioner based on 29 games, hey, that's cool. Oh, and Guzman's skills FAR EXCEED Bynum and Macias' when they were in the minors. Hey, guess what young player's major league line this is: 47G 162AB 3HR 8RBI 18BB 4SB 47SO .191AVG .303OBP .616OPS You want this guy on your team or in your farm system? He's had twice the time to prove himself as Guzman has, yet I wouldn't doubt a single person on here wouldn't jump at the chance to put this guy in their farm system Guzman's major league numbers were not the point, I almost didn't even put them in there. I only included them to illustrate that even though Guzman hasn't had extensive time in MLB, he hasn't bucked the trend in his short stint. You keep saying that Guzman "FAR EXCEEDS" Macias and Bynum, but it's not true. Look at the post you quoted, their numbers are staggeringly similar, at similar ages and levels. I gave you a more scouting report side to it as well, with them being short switch hitters who slap at the ball to make contact(avoiding both K's and extra bases). And you compared it to Alex Gordon? Gordon who put up a 1000+ OPS in AA at age 22? Who was drafted 2nd overall because of his skillset? Who spent 1 year in the minor leagues compared to Guzman's 5? You're taking part of what I'm saying out of context and then making a strawman on top of that. Again, Guzman is not any good.

I was making the point that people are making the judgement on Guzman that he will be an awful major leaguer based on his major league numbers, which pertain to only 29 games. actually, it's his limited major league numbers and his expansive mediocre minor league career. Expansive mediocre minor league career? Never followed him much, did you? He was a stud until he had injury problems, and didn't pitch much for a few years. Predictably, after not hardly pitching for over two years, he was rusty, and his 2006 wasn't anything to brag about. He's been showing the form that made him a top prospect before he had injury problems. The "expansive mediocre minor league career" you speak of was only mediocre for a year or so after coming off of injuries. How did you follow the thread to this point and think that he was talking about Angel Guzman?

You shouldn't have to. If you're logged in it will show your score on the first page. It shows the top scores, then you and those around you, and finally the bottom scores. Doesn't show that for me, just the top and the bottom. BalsaWoodKeyboard is now #10 overall. I also see just the top 10 and the bottom 5 That's strange, because for me it shows my score (bolded) and those right around me between the top 10 and bottom 5. It then shows the top 10 and bottom 5 MLB players. Are you sure you're logged in when checking? Yes. Do you have a pay BP subscription?

This is mind bending. I don't want Soriano moved from the leadoff spot, and I don't want Ichiro(who may be the most overrated player in the game), especially at his cost in dollars and players. Guzman is not good. I don't know why you've latched on to this, you've typically made much better arguments. Your assumption that a 25 year old's AAA numbers(in his second attempt at AAA nonetheless) will even roughly translate well to the major league level is simply wrong. Look at the names brought up earlier, Bynum and Macias. Both those guys have similar skillsets to Guzman, they are small switch hitters that take a walk that didn't make it to the high minors until their mid 20's. They don't hit for extra bases, and they don't strike out very often, both a likely side effect of slapping the ball around. Their skillset and age don't translate to the major league level. Bynum Minors: .275 AVG, .347 OBP, .072 IsoD Bynum Majors: .259/.307, .048 IsoD Macias Minors: .270/.365, .095 IsoD Macias Majors: .256/.298, .042 IsoD Guzman Minors: .280/.359, .079 IsoD Guzman Majors: .217/.270, .053 IsoD These are not coincidences.

You shouldn't have to. If you're logged in it will show your score on the first page. It shows the top scores, then you and those around you, and finally the bottom scores. Doesn't show that for me, just the top and the bottom. BalsaWoodKeyboard is now #10 overall.

Yeah sure. You'll care about it when it comes. That's when you would be calling Lou a moron for burning out the BP arms. Sorry, seen this act too many times before. It's really easy to make an argument when you are making up what the opinion is of the people you're arguing against. Yeah, well I've seen these scenarios play out on this and other message boards for too many years. It's pretty much always the same story. Always ends up with the board members geniuses and the managers idiots. How convenient. I've gotta say, I've seen vague groups of people ragged on here before, but never for something that they have yet to do. Kudos.

Yeah sure. You'll care about it when it comes. That's when you would be calling Lou a moron for burning out the BP arms. Sorry, seen this act too many times before. It's really easy to make an argument when you are making up what the opinion is of the people you're arguing against.

yay LeBrons

His spot in the order came up in a scoreless game with a man in scoring position and 2 outs, so he got lifted for Ward, who lined out softly to Kent.

Lou, you are worthless.

FINISH HIM

Bringing him in to walk the guy. I'm seriously about to drive to Chicago so I can take an ice pick to Lou when he gets there.

Except DeRosa was 15-20 feet in front of the base. He should have run at him then picked him off when he started back to second.

Marmol? How can you use your entire bullpen and not bring in the right guy in any of the situations?

Oh yes, please bunt.

CALL IT Unbelievable