I'm not quite sure what your point is. First off, if you accuse me of assuming a rookie has no skill and that is why he fails and it is has nothing to do with Dusty. Well, aren't you doing the exact same thing - assuming the player has skill and he is failing because of Dusty? Let's look at the examples - Juan Cruz went to the Braves (an organization that hardly discriminates against rookies) and did so well that he was traded to Oakland (another team that values "young" players) and has since been demoted to AAA. Bobby Hill went to Pittsburgh and has done nothing. Hee Seop Choi went to Florida and than to L.A. and has never developed. If you want to argue that Dusty "killed their confidence" then go a head, but it is a stretch. By the way, how quick are you (or anybody else) to "credit" Dusty for turning Lee in to a MVP type player or turning an average Ramirez in to an All-Star? The problem is that Dusty can never get a fair break - if a player succeeds or the team wins it is because of their talent and if the player fails or the team loses it is because of Dusty. Dusty isn't instructing Lee or Ramirez or anyone else. It's an apples and oranges comparison. No one is saying that Dusty ruined those players because of the coaching he gave them. People are saying that Dusty ruined those players because of the playing time they got, which is something Dusty has control over. Ramirez and Lee had both had a good deal of success prior to becoming Cubs, and both are/were entering the prime years of their career. That likely has far more to do with their emergence than any instruction they received, whether from Dusty or any other coach. As others have said before, a manager can put the team in the best position to win, or he can hurt the team. And lastly, the careers of Choi and Hill and Cruz are partially irrelevant. The point is that at the time Dusty had them they were the best choice to play based on their Major League performance, yet Dusty stuck with the inferior player.