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  1. Who would you prefer? Between having either Murton or Cedeno? Murton.
  2. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
  3. I don't see any way that is possible. Being serious, and not trying to stir things up here. Yes, Wrigley is older, and it's one of the crown jewels of baseball. I love watching games there. That said, Busch has been the host of 6 World Series and more playoff games than I can count without looking it up. It has been the destination for millions of fans from a multi state region. It was a centerpiece in the mid sixties downtown revitalization of St. Louis. I don't want to start another who is better than who debate, but you can't say thay Busch doesn't have an amazing 40 year history. There's no doubt about any of that, but claiming it has more history than a landmark ballpark that has been around twice as long might be a little much IMO.
  4. He was a super-two, and I'm not positive if that means he reaches Free Agency a year earlier or if he gets a 4th year of arbitration. If it's the former he's a FA after '06, the latter after '07.
  5. Of course you'd have way more reason to be sad about Wrigley. Busch isn't exactly the baseball mecca that Wrigley is. Busch isn't as old, but probably holds more memories than Wrigley does. Do you just look to start arguments, or do you actually believe the stuff you type.... Are you serious, or blind? THAT is what started it, wouldn't you say? And yet I'm accused of "trolling", and "driveling". Some of you only see what you want to. First of all, that's not an outrageous statement by any stretch. And secondly, your fellow Cardinals fan said it.
  6. I agree 100%. Would you be ok with Furcal, Abreu and Preston Wilson? I don't like Wilson, but Abreu might make up for that some. I'd rather see Bradley, Wilkerson, Clark, Michaels, GMJ, or Church in CF.
  7. I don't like Murton and Cedeno in the same lineup unless we have good to great production from SS, RF, and CF.
  8. Nolasco had a subpar 40 IP in AAA at age 21, then performed great in AA at age 22. Marmol, who's stuff isn't that much better than Nolasco, performed slightly worse than Nolasco in the same league at the same age(Nolasco is several months younger overall, although Marmol is newer to pitching). What makes Nolasco trade fodder and Marmol a keeper?
  9. Meh, he's only marginally better than Fontenot.
  10. I didn't quite understand that. Are you saying Young is not as good a QB as the others because is more of a runner? I did like your ranking a lot, it just seems to me that there is more to being a QB than just passing. That of course will not translate into what you did, which is fine, but I do think it should translate into the Heisman. No, I was saying that Young isn't nearly as good a passer as most of the others, and his running ability(a definite plus) doesn't bridge the gap enough to make him as good overall. I agree that there's more than passing. I was just trying to get something that quantified passing(which is most important of the factors IMO) when having a debate about the different top QBs.
  11. Look who's talking Mr. esoteric. :wink: Another point on chemistry. I've played on competitive baseball teams where I didn't like many of the players on the team. When we were winning, I never had a problem with anyone, and we'd joke around and stuff and everything was great. When things weren't going so well, let's just say that people were less congenial towards everyone, friend or foe. Winning breeds "chemistry".
  12. Only 2 years of service? he pitched 22 games in 2003 He'll be under 3 years, he only had 1.120 going into this year.
  13. If(when?) his AVG drops, then his HR and 2B will have to drop, unless by some miracle all his lost hits are singles. You justify trading Lee because what you get in return is greater than what you give. For example, I suggested in a 3 team deal trading Lee and Walker for Bradley, Drew, and Castillo. Castillo is superior to Walker, Drew is likely to equal if not surpass Lee's production next year(this is just putting names to production levels, so disregard Drew's injuries when evaluating this hypothetically), and Bradley is a superb offensive and defensive CF. The team is better offensively because of a trade of Lee in that scenario. You don't trade away one of the best all-around players in the game for an oft-injured player and a borderline nut. Yes, Castillo's superior to Walker, but Lee and Walker should get you more. Again, read the part in parentheses. It was an example to match the production levels we'd want to get in return with a name.
  14. I agree with this. Especially since I've heard from a couple Phillies fans that Abreu doesn't hit in the clutch and his swing was messed up the entire second half from the home run derby. When is Zambrano scheduled to become a FA? Abreu hits "in the clutch". He had a poor second half by his standards, and that's apparently causing some things to be said about him(much like A-Rod) that simply aren't true. Zambrano is a Free Agent after the 2007 season.
  15. Is that in reference to your finding, or the Heisman voting? My "ranking" which was supposed to give a little perspective on who should be the best, which translates to the Heisman. Obviously I'm not going to go nuts claiming Brohm should be the runaway winner, but he deserves more recognition than he's getting, and as a passer Young deserves less. What I meant by the bolded is that Young is so far down the list in passing aspects that his running game probably isn't enough in my mind to overcome that deficit.
  16. Vizquel got it by name as Jack Wilson was more deserving. Wilson had Vizquel by high margins in Range Factor and Zone Rating. He also was involved in a whopping FORTY-FIVE more double plays than Vizquel. My ballot at SS would have been: 1. Jack 2. Neifi 3. Vizquel I would have given it to Khalil Greene. That guy is a human vacuum cleaner whenever anyone hits a ball between 2nd and 3rd. What about Reyes? He seems to take away a hit every game I see. BP has Reyes as a below average defensively. 96 rate and 7 runs below average
  17. The strength of our system has been in it's depth of quality prospects, not it's number of top prospects. Therefore, when several are ineffective or have down years, the organizational ranking will dip.
  18. No, there isn't any rushing numbers involved up there. In Young's case, he's got some great rushing numbers, but he's hurt beyond the point where he attempts fewer passes. He's second to last in passing attempts, but has thrown the most interceptions. He's last in completion percentage, despite having fewer passes to sustain a high rate. So in the end, Young should be higher, but the above illustrates that he is pretty inferior as a passer that should keep him out of the running for the top spot. On the other hand, without looking up Vick's numbers, strong running numbers from him might propel him up to where he would be closer to the top spot.
  19. If(when?) his AVG drops, then his HR and 2B will have to drop, unless by some miracle all his lost hits are singles. You justify trading Lee because what you get in return is greater than what you give. For example, I suggested in a 3 team deal trading Lee and Walker for Bradley, Drew, and Castillo. Castillo is superior to Walker, Drew is likely to equal if not surpass Lee's production next year(this is just putting names to production levels, so disregard Drew's injuries when evaluating this hypothetically), and Bradley is a superb offensive and defensive CF. The team is better offensively because of a trade of Lee in that scenario.
  20. What about something that is proven to exist recently? We couldn't see atoms and such in the 1800s, and therefore couldn't measure or prove their existence, so what does that mean when we did discover them?
  21. Overbay, Milwaukee will likely shop him with Fielder incoming. He's a solid offensive 1B(good-great OBP) that by some metrics was better defensively than Lee this year.
  22. SLG isn't everything, despite what this site preaches. If anything, this site underappreciates SLG as a whole IMO. Of course SLG isn't everything, but it's important, and needs to be considered. I guess you could make the case that Ichiro's marketability in Japan can mitigate his contract size, but that's still something to be concerned about. My point is that if we are going to give up top prospects and best young players for a stud OF, lets get one that's the complete package? Ichiro's EqA and WARP were no better than Todd Walker last year, and he's 32 with a huge contract. For all the talk of his OBP, it was only .350 last year, he doesn't walk alot, which means as he ages his AVG and moreso OBP will be dragged down as he ages. I'll certainly take Ichiro for my team, he's talented in all aspects. But if we're selling the farm for a stud, let's get the most productive player possible, not one who was a Todd Walker clone last year.
  23. Okay, after some fun with Excel, I ranked a bunch of the top QB's by category. Instead of punishing some for not throwing as much as others, I combined the ranks from Attempts and Total Yards. That's what Composite Yardage is. Player QB Rating Composite yardage Comp % YPC TD INT Brohm 1 5 1 2 6 2 Vick 2 7 2 4 7 4 Leinart 3 1.5 5 1 3 5 Olson 4 3.5 3 7 1 1 Stanton 5 3.5 4 5 4 6 Young 6 6 7 3 5 7 Quinn 7 1.5 6 6 2 3 Here's how they stand when you take their average rank: Rank Average Avg Rank Brohm 2.833333333 1 Leinart 3.083333333 2 Olson 3.25 3 Quinn 4.25 4 Vick 4.333333333 5 Stanton 4.583333333 6 Young 5.666666667 7 Obviously the competition for each of them hasn't been equal, so I found the average passing yards per game of their opponents, and multiplied it by the previous average to add in a strength of schedule factor. Rank Average Opp. Avg Total Brohm 2.833333333 221.5714286 627.7857143 Vick 4.333333333 203.3125 881.0208333 Leinart 3.083333333 260.3875 802.8614583 Olson 3.25 262.8375 854.221875 Stanton 4.583333333 242.7875 1112.776042 Young 5.666666667 220.5 1249.5 Quinn 4.25 253.9714286 1079.378571 And here's the final tally of my crazy QB math. Player Total Rank Brohm 627.7857143 1 Leinart 802.8614583 2 Olson 854.221875 3 Vick 881.0208333 4 Quinn 1079.378571 5 Stanton 1112.776042 6 Young 1249.5 7 Obviously this methodology isn't perfect, but it's interesting to look at. Okay, this isn't lining up even in notepad, so if it's that big a deal lemme know and I'll try to sort it out later.
  24. I think so. KC was second only to Coors as far as hitter's parks go a few years back, but they moved the fences back and it became a pitcher's park. Of course this year it was a big hitter's haven, so who knows.
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