Transmogrified Tiger

My understanding is, Walker's defensive metrics are among the worst in the league. Incorrect. Below average, yes. Bottom of the barrel, no.

Do you do interleague throughout the year? If not, how do you handle an odd number of teams in each league?

Rumor has it that Beilein of WVU is very interested in the Mizzou job, according to local TV. Apparently he has family ties to the area.

Why? One's in the AL, one's in the NL. Which means you'd have an odd number in each league. So unless there's ALWAYS an interleague matchup, you'd have a scheduling nightmare.

Five's a definite possibility with all the games people have left with each other. I agree that six is a stretch. MSU is down 8 approaching the half in Minnesota.

If Minny and Florida get contracted, someone else has to change leagues.

I have thought that both sides of this issue have good reasons to support their opinion for months now. I waver back and forth on whether I would be willing to give up on Pie before knowing more about his likelihood of fulfilling on his potential. But I still think that Pie's ability to play CF and play it incredibly well, his arm and his speed on the basepaths are going unacknowledged in this thread. These are abilities that he possesses now. We don't have to wonder if he will be able to do them at the major league level. The base running still needs some refinement, but his defense, by all accounts is there now. He is already better than Dunn at that and is able to do it at near gold glove levels in a much more impactful position (CF) than Dunn's (LF). I don't think that big difference in their games is being taken into account when you are making your argument. I understand that Pie likely will be very good defensively, but if he can't hit major league pitching, that just makes him Tom Goodwin or Corey Patterson. Pie could be very good, even great, and I hold out hope he will do this, but if trading him now nets Dunn, I'd do that deal any day of the week and twice on Sundays. As might I, as I have said twice earlier in this thread, but not Pie plus Williams plus Marshall plus Dopirak or whoever else. Isn't that unnecessary overkill? If Pie has the chance of being a better all around player than Dunn is then why would it be fair to add all of that other talent to the deal? Because Dunn is already at that level, and Pie is very unlikely to ever reach it, nevermind sustain it for several seasons. But to be equal to or better than Dunn, Pie doesn't have to match Dunn's offensive output because he can play CF and play it at a gold glove level not to mention is arm and speed on the basepaths, he is 5-6 years younger and could produce really good numbers at league minimum for several years to come. No one is suggesting that Pie will ever be the type of producer with the bat that Dunn is now. Of course that is very unlikely to happen. The question is how likely is it for Pie to fulfill his potential as a hitter and what is that ceiling? At age 20, Pie and Dunn put up very similar OPS numbers with Dunn having much better patience at the plate but with Pie producing his numbers in AA while Dunn was at High-A. Dunn's ceiling seems to be around a .950 OPS maybe higher if he can get his average up and Ks down. Is Pie's ceiling an .850 OPS? Higher? Lower? I submit that it is very difficult to tell at this point. This is a critical season for Felix. I think it's monumentally unlikely that Felix gets to a .900 OPS or consistently puts up a .900 OPS. The .850 range(emphasis on range) looks to be around his ceiling to me. That's why it's easier to do the deal, because a player of Pie's talents, while rare, are not as valuable as someone who can mash the ball as well as Dunn can. Adding players to the deal evens it out, plus compensates for the fact that Pie isn't at that level or may never reach it. Would I do the deal? I don't know to be honest. I'm much higher than most on Williams, and I'm more down than most on Dope.

I have thought that both sides of this issue have good reasons to support their opinion for months now. I waver back and forth on whether I would be willing to give up on Pie before knowing more about his likelihood of fulfilling on his potential. But I still think that Pie's ability to play CF and play it incredibly well, his arm and his speed on the basepaths are going unacknowledged in this thread. These are abilities that he possesses now. We don't have to wonder if he will be able to do them at the major league level. The base running still needs some refinement, but his defense, by all accounts is there now. He is already better than Dunn at that and is able to do it at near gold glove levels in a much more impactful position (CF) than Dunn's (LF). I don't think that big difference in their games is being taken into account when you are making your argument. I understand that Pie likely will be very good defensively, but if he can't hit major league pitching, that just makes him Tom Goodwin or Corey Patterson. Pie could be very good, even great, and I hold out hope he will do this, but if trading him now nets Dunn, I'd do that deal any day of the week and twice on Sundays. As might I, as I have said twice earlier in this thread, but not Pie plus Williams plus Marshall plus Dopirak or whoever else. Isn't that unnecessary overkill? If Pie has the chance of being a better all around player than Dunn is then why would it be fair to add all of that other talent to the deal? Because Dunn is already at that level, and Pie is very unlikely to ever reach it, nevermind sustain it for several seasons.

Those aren't the rumors that people are talking about. And the most recent recruiting sanctions are a joke. Mizzou got harsh penalties for doing the same thing, something with phoning a recruit's mother, that it was found out(through said mother) several other schools did without penalty.

I've been saying all along that I thought Dusty would play Walker at 2b if he were still on the team. Let's hope that happens. Typical superficial Cub-bashing by BP. They really don't understand the situation either in LF or 2B. I'm wondering what about that analysis is causing problems for you. Everyone in the Cubs organizatin recognizes that Murton is going to be the everyday LF for the Cubs, INCLUDING DUSTY. BP assumes that because Murton and Cedeno are young that Dusty can't wait to replace them with Neifi! and Hairston. Dusty can be faulted for being extra cautious, if somewhat outright biased, against rookies, but he's not stupid. Saying Hairston may get "some time" in LF is hardly replacing him. I would be and am very worried about Neifi taking time away from Cedeno, especially with Neifi's lefthandedness.

coughfreudcough

I hope not. Nothing against Lowery, but he hasn't coached with his own players yet, and I'd rather we have someone a little more established as a head coach. Matt Painter doesn't look like a great hire right now(although he may work out down the road), and I'm pretty sure that he was HC less than 4 years when he took over for Weber.

Mark Turgeon is a very good at Wichita St. Very familar with the Big XII. Turgeon wouldn't be a bad hire from what I hear, I wonder how much they'll consider that he's a kU guy.

KARL HOBBS

The quote said LF, with Murton. Or were you not referencing that? You people and your reading comprehension. The nerve!

25, his birthday is 2 days after Christmas.

The quote said LF, with Murton. Or were you not referencing that?

Winner.

Defense is a figment of imagination. TLR's holograms take care of stuff for the fans at the game, and TV magic does that for the people at home. PMR is a good metric, there are several others that have their own advantages. There was a thread UK started a little while back had some good info.

He is an abomination with a bat.

Both of those are pretty bad measures of defense. Neifi is a plus defender(although for his career he measures as nothing special at 2B), and his offense wipes out any of that advantage. There are scores of players that can equal Neifi's production, many with the youthful potential for improvement.

No.

Our starting center fielder, lead off batter is hardly underutilized. The Cubs played Walker at 2B last year, and hit him near the top of the order, yet he appears on the list because the organization doesn't value him. Murton made a Cards fan's list and he's our starting LF.

Baseball Reference says Salazar only played 26 games as a Cub in '89. He came over on August 30th.

That's true, and generally WSI isn't a great place for discussion.