Also, I'm not trying to portray Pinango as a high-upside guy at this point. I'm just using him as an example of your own logic of ARL not meaning everything on its own. I look at Gallardo and I don't see great velocity, I haven't heard of any of his pitches being plus, his control/command is good but not elite, etc. He looks like a really good bet to be a mid-rotation starter. But I can't see ace potential in him, which is what this thread seems to be about. I think there are some lower probability guys that have higher upside. For example, there are guys like Palencia or Marquez with their velocity. While I'd put Gallardo up near the top of our pitching prospects due to his probability of being *something*, I'm not sure he is even near the top five in terms of pure upside.