I don't think so. You acknowledge that they need to be getting stuff they haven't gotten yet, and that's exactly true. The window is still open, but they only way they get in is with fantastic starting pitching throughout the rotation. Although they won't win 80% of their remaining games. That's why I said "have a shot to" :wink: Basically what I meant was if Maddux returns to the old, are starting pitchers could have us a chance to win in 4 out of every 5 ballgames, I know we won't, but if we win 6/10 I say we have a good shot of the WC.