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Sorry, but you're failing to apply logic to this debate. The plan was never to develop great pitchers and then trade them. The plan was develop a core of players (which Zambrano and Prior are apart of) and then trade others for the difference makers. If Hendry doesn't have those others to trade for a difference maker, than he either failed to develop them, or squandered them frivolously. Either way, the plan was not carried through well enough. Remind me again how Hendry acquired offensive "difference makers" named Lee, Ramirez, and Garciaparra (and, hopefully, Pierre). To say that Hendry, can't/won't/hasn't done exactly what you're advocating is either misguided, uninformed, or both. By taking advantage of monetary dilemmas in the Lee and Ramirez deals, and by orchestrating a crazy enough deal that he was able to deal quantities of prospects rather than more proven qualities, the Nomar deal. In this(and other cases), the team isn't in a financial bind(although money plays a role in every deal), and there are teams willing to give the more proven commodities that Hendry is unable to provide, because of the reasons I stated before. I'm as frustrated with Hendry as the next Cubs fan, especially this off season, but I find it interesting how credit is never given for his great acquisitions (Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Nomar/Murton). Those moves are not good enough to excuse this piss poor offseason, but Hendry traded prospects for solid talent (which appears to be a large part of his plan all along). We don't have what Philly wants, it's as simple as that.

I'm starting to get excited.... I Love baseball. I love the Cubs. I wish they would do something to make me happy though.

I guess I have until May to get the Wade Miller BandWGN back up and running. I spent 15 minutes finding the Cedeno WGN and was successful:)

Well the Ronny Cedeno BandWGN is still in Chicago, and it looks like it will be here for awhile. Just bumping my one and only bandWGN in anticipation of spring training. .280/.337/.420/.757 That's my line prediction for 2006.

Speaking of which, does anyone know when the search function is going to be reenabled? It's getting near the time for me to bump my CedenoBANDWGN thread up to the top. :D

Can someone please tell me how Prior is injury prone? Thank you in advance. :roll:

I think Cubs fans/NSBB.com posters value Walker alot more than the rest of the entire Majors. I love him too, but it appears his marketability/trade value is worthless. No one wants him.

You sure don't have any tolerance for those that don't like Sammy do you? Why do you act like your opinion is more valid than theirs by mocking anyone who might not like the way he acted or might have suspicions of illegal roid use? I know several fans who didn't like him not for "roid use" but more for how they perceived his attitude to be. I know alot of Grace fans that believe he ran Grace out of town. Now I'm not saying any of those opinions are correct, but I'm certainly not going to mock everyone anytime the name Sammy is brought up like you undoubtedly do. I don't get why you feel the need to do it everytime, but carry on if you must.

NO freaking TRADE CLAUSE - He most probably won't waive it. He won't go anywhere until after this year.

This is one of the few moves this winter that I don't want Hendry's head for. IT would have been an easy and popular move to re-sign him after his end run of 2005, but if he went down again, he would have been crucified for the move.

Sign me up for the bolded part. I don't think Neifi can be traded without consent yet, but I approve of nearly any trade that sends him out of town. What trade involving Neifi WOULDNT you support? :?:

Isn't that a little narcissitic? :wink:

I think I have a man crush on both Woody AND Prior now. :D those are the sweetest words I've read this offseason other than Macias DFA'd Oh and Yearofdacubs - his response was EXACTLY what I was talking about - in not blaming Hendry for mishandling this one case. It's part of the business, as long as Hendry isn't dangling him.

How in the world is Rusch better than Williams? Rusch should have never even been resigned. Rusch is going to implode and revert back to pre 2004 numbers, guaranteed. And we are stuck with him. If Guzman gets healthy I'd like to see Z Prior Maddux Guzman Williams Until Wood comes back. Rusch is so expendable.

No I don't. I don't think Hendry does either. And we don't know if he was offered a deal or if he himself offered prior. But regardless, your criticism in this thread did not appear to be about the deal (since we weren't discussing the deal) but more about how Hendry "handled it". Which is the part that I think is ludicrous. If he was just taking "offers" for prior, and Prior got peeved about it, that's not Hendry's fault. His job is to listen to all/any offers on the table, reject those that are bad and think about ones that might help the team. That's all I'm saying. It seemed from your post on the front page you were criticising how Hendry handled the whole thing (when it appears he wasn't offering Prior in the end anyway), not the actual deal - which we weren't discussing. Look at my "location" if you need any direction. but "The great Hendry, what can I tell you" was flat out a jab at Hendry's handling of the situation if Prior becomes peeved, which is flat out wrong. If prior gets peeved, I'd tell him to suck it up and be a professional. (And then tell him he's my second favorite Cub behind Wood). It is a flat out jab at Hendry because the trade leaked out everywhere. It probably did not come from Hendry's side but when you are making some of your best players available for trade and what not if they find out there are time where it could bite you on the back end. I definitely do not want Prior traded for Tejada and who even knows how close the trade was to come to fruition but at the same time I'm getting sick and tired of the way Hendry is managing this organization. I have zero confidence in him and the fact that this trade info came out just proves that to me. We have regressed ever since 2004 and that isn't a good sign. I want to see a playoff contending team on board instead of seeing him pay for mediocre talent left and right. I will take all the jabs I want at Hendry because frankly they are warranted. You can do what you want to do. But taking Jabs when they aren't warrented takes away from credibility when they ARE. With everything that's coming out recently, it appears Hendry never offered prior for anything, he was merely asked about him. If that's hendry screwing up, then I must be an idiot. Everything you said is fine, zero confidence, sick of this organization, sick of Hendry's bad moves, inactivity. However, He didn't mishandle prior in this situation. Period. If you continue to assert that he did, I'm going to continue to argue with you. How are you 100% sure that Hendry did not offer Prior for Tejada? Too many sources were confirming the possible trade for it not to be true if you ask me. I'm not a 100 % sure, but it appears everything was blown out of proportion - it appears Levines scoop was bunk, Rosenthal was full of BS (like usual) and sources have stated they didn't offer up prior, Hendry was asked about prior and listened. I don't know for sure, but it doesn't appear like Hendry was actively shopping him. And for the very reason I don't know, I tend to like to keep my jabs to stuff I do know - like Rusch, PErez resignings, not adequately filling the RF problem, signing jockstrap, insisting on trading Walker etc. To your defense I will say trading Prior for offense from the get-go didn't make sense considering how our SP has its ? marks. I also think it is possible Levine started up with the story AFTER the other journalist brought it up and he was nonchalant about it like he knew it was going down yet never mentioned it until the other person did first. Either way when I heard Prior was upset about the trade and so forth to me that just showed me the somehow someway the Cubs org found another way to screw up and cut ties with one of their best pitchers. Believe me, I thought trading Prior was the most stupid thing the Cubs could do, but as more and more information leaked out I realized it was more untrue than true, and it didn't appear that Hendry was quite THAT stupid.

No I don't. I don't think Hendry does either. And we don't know if he was offered a deal or if he himself offered prior. But regardless, your criticism in this thread did not appear to be about the deal (since we weren't discussing the deal) but more about how Hendry "handled it". Which is the part that I think is ludicrous. If he was just taking "offers" for prior, and Prior got peeved about it, that's not Hendry's fault. His job is to listen to all/any offers on the table, reject those that are bad and think about ones that might help the team. That's all I'm saying. It seemed from your post on the front page you were criticising how Hendry handled the whole thing (when it appears he wasn't offering Prior in the end anyway), not the actual deal - which we weren't discussing. Look at my "location" if you need any direction. but "The great Hendry, what can I tell you" was flat out a jab at Hendry's handling of the situation if Prior becomes peeved, which is flat out wrong. If prior gets peeved, I'd tell him to suck it up and be a professional. (And then tell him he's my second favorite Cub behind Wood). It is a flat out jab at Hendry because the trade leaked out everywhere. It probably did not come from Hendry's side but when you are making some of your best players available for trade and what not if they find out there are time where it could bite you on the back end. I definitely do not want Prior traded for Tejada and who even knows how close the trade was to come to fruition but at the same time I'm getting sick and tired of the way Hendry is managing this organization. I have zero confidence in him and the fact that this trade info came out just proves that to me. We have regressed ever since 2004 and that isn't a good sign. I want to see a playoff contending team on board instead of seeing him pay for mediocre talent left and right. I will take all the jabs I want at Hendry because frankly they are warranted. You can do what you want to do. But taking Jabs when they aren't warrented takes away from credibility when they ARE. With everything that's coming out recently, it appears Hendry never offered prior for anything, he was merely asked about him. If that's hendry screwing up, then I must be an idiot. Everything you said is fine, zero confidence, sick of this organization, sick of Hendry's bad moves, inactivity. However, He didn't mishandle prior in this situation. Period. If you continue to assert that he did, I'm going to continue to argue with you. How are you 100% sure that Hendry did not offer Prior for Tejada? Too many sources were confirming the possible trade for it not to be true if you ask me. I'm not a 100 % sure, but it appears everything was blown out of proportion - it appears Levines scoop was bunk, Rosenthal was full of BS (like usual) and sources have stated they didn't offer up prior, Hendry was asked about prior and listened. I don't know for sure, but it doesn't appear like Hendry was actively shopping him. And for the very reason I don't know, I tend to like to keep my jabs to stuff I do know - like Rusch, PErez resignings, not adequately filling the RF problem, signing jockstrap, insisting on trading Walker etc.

No I don't. I don't think Hendry does either. And we don't know if he was offered a deal or if he himself offered prior. But regardless, your criticism in this thread did not appear to be about the deal (since we weren't discussing the deal) but more about how Hendry "handled it". Which is the part that I think is ludicrous. If he was just taking "offers" for prior, and Prior got peeved about it, that's not Hendry's fault. His job is to listen to all/any offers on the table, reject those that are bad and think about ones that might help the team. That's all I'm saying. It seemed from your post on the front page you were criticising how Hendry handled the whole thing (when it appears he wasn't offering Prior in the end anyway), not the actual deal - which we weren't discussing. Look at my "location" if you need any direction. but "The great Hendry, what can I tell you" was flat out a jab at Hendry's handling of the situation if Prior becomes peeved, which is flat out wrong. If prior gets peeved, I'd tell him to suck it up and be a professional. (And then tell him he's my second favorite Cub behind Wood). It is a flat out jab at Hendry because the trade leaked out everywhere. It probably did not come from Hendry's side but when you are making some of your best players available for trade and what not if they find out there are time where it could bite you on the back end. I definitely do not want Prior traded for Tejada and who even knows how close the trade was to come to fruition but at the same time I'm getting sick and tired of the way Hendry is managing this organization. I have zero confidence in him and the fact that this trade info came out just proves that to me. We have regressed ever since 2004 and that isn't a good sign. I want to see a playoff contending team on board instead of seeing him pay for mediocre talent left and right. I will take all the jabs I want at Hendry because frankly they are warranted. You can do what you want to do. But taking Jabs when they aren't warrented takes away from credibility when they ARE. With everything that's coming out recently, it appears Hendry never offered prior for anything, he was merely asked about him. If that's hendry screwing up, then I must be an idiot. Everything you said is fine, zero confidence, sick of this organization, sick of Hendry's bad moves, inactivity. However, He didn't mishandle prior in this situation. Period. If you continue to assert that he did, I'm going to continue to argue with you.

No I don't. I don't think Hendry does either. And we don't know if he was offered a deal or if he himself offered prior. But regardless, your criticism in this thread did not appear to be about the deal (since we weren't discussing the deal) but more about how Hendry "handled it". Which is the part that I think is ludicrous. If he was just taking "offers" for prior, and Prior got peeved about it, that's not Hendry's fault. His job is to listen to all/any offers on the table, reject those that are bad and think about ones that might help the team. That's all I'm saying. It seemed from your post on the front page you were criticising how Hendry handled the whole thing (when it appears he wasn't offering Prior in the end anyway), not the actual deal - which we weren't discussing. Look at my "location" if you need any direction. but "The great Hendry, what can I tell you" was flat out a jab at Hendry's handling of the situation if Prior becomes peeved, which is flat out wrong. If prior gets peeved, I'd tell him to suck it up and be a professional. (And then tell him he's my second favorite Cub behind Wood).

I'm asking for a world series championship. I am too, and I'm gonna hold Hendry's feet to the fire for most everything he did this off season to make us worse. But I'm not going to hold his feet to the fire for not coddling one of our players before entertaining offers for him. Prior is a professional, and trades are part of professional sports. I don't think Hendry acted unprofessionally at all regarding Prior.

I really don't think the cubs organization had anything to do with him being labelled injury prone at all. How can you possibly lay that blame on them? Dude seriously, is there anything that isn't Hendry's fault? Global Warming? Healthcare Costs? Hendry has every right to look into deals for any players to make the team better. He shouldn't need to coddle players, and as much as I love Prior (2nd favorite player on the Cubs) he shouldn't be in a tizzy because his name was perhaps mentioned to see what it could get. I think you should join ndistops bandwagon, because I doubt your attitude will ever change short of a WS championship. Dude seriously, A lot of things pertaining to the Cubs are indeed Hendry's fault. Keep sugarcoating it for yourself, I know better. I'm not asking for a WS chamiponship I'm asking for us to at least make the playoffs. If you think having a good year and not making the playoffs is possible that's on you. That's my whole point. There ARE SO MANY things they've done wrong or poorly. Hendry trying to see if a deal exists (and he may not have at all) is not grounds for ripping him. I don't want Prior traded, but there is nothing wrong with Hendry entertaining deals, that's his JOB. Instead you wish to rip him for everything this side of the sun, when you have plenty of grounds to rip him for valid things. I think it's incredibly stupid to blame Hendry for seing if Prior could bring back value to make the team even stronger. You make a backhanded rip at him for it. That's ridiculous in my eyes. Just stick to ripping him for what he does wrong (all of the 2004 post season, and most of the 2005 post season) not for trying to see if he could improve this team. You're comments aren't asking for a WS or playoff appearance, they are ripping Hendry for any and everything you can possibly muster within that contenious outlook you have. Seriously, reread your post and tell me that there is one shred of validity to it? Particiulary if the rumors are true, and Hendry never OFFERED him up.

I really don't think the cubs organization had anything to do with him being labelled injury prone at all. How can you possibly lay that blame on them? Dude seriously, is there anything that isn't Hendry's fault? Global Warming? Healthcare Costs? Hendry has every right to look into deals for any players to make the team better. He shouldn't need to coddle players, and as much as I love Prior (2nd favorite player on the Cubs) he shouldn't be in a tizzy because his name was perhaps mentioned to see what it could get. I think you should join ndistops bandwagon, because I doubt your attitude will ever change short of a WS championship.

Ahhh, the Giles debate. One would think he was Pujols from the number of conversations that have taken place regarding this player.

My standards are obviously higher for the highest paid pitcher on the Cubs. Dude did Kerry Wood sleep with your girl, spit in your face, or wrong in you some personal way? You sure seem to have an issue with him that goes beyond dissappointment in his production...

If it doesn't get asked by someone at some point in time, I'm gonna be awfully upset.

I love Kid K. I really hope the surgery helps him. He'll always be my favorite pitcher.